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这里是The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是主持人Peter Aguero。

I'm your host, Peter Aguero.

本期节目,我们将聚光灯投向The Moth的一个部门,这个部门十多年来一直在有意义地改变人们的生活,那就是The Moth的教育项目。

In this show, we are turning the spotlight to a department at The Moth that has been meaningfully changing lives for over a decade, The Moth's education program.

自从2012年我们第一次走进学校以来,我们已经与超过20所学校合作。我们采访了来自纽约市、全美乃至世界各地的3300多名高中生和大学生。

Since we first walked into a school in 2012, we've worked with more than 20. We've interviewed over 3,300 high school and college students from New York City, from around the country, and around the world.

今天我们要听一些我们最近的故事。

Today we're listening to some of our more recent stories.

有些故事是学生们在参加了为期八周的工作坊后第一次在舞台上讲述的,而另一些则是在我们再次听到之前已经尝试过几次讲述的。

Some were told on stage for the first time right after the students had taken an 8-week workshop, and others got a few tries at telling before we got to hear them again.

正好赶上开学季,我们把这期节目的主题定为‘Fresh Starts’(新起点)。

Just in time for back to school, we themed this hour Fresh Starts.

这些工作坊通常是大家围坐成一圈,自我介绍,分享一个关于自己的冷知识,然后冰开始融化,直到所有防备都瓦解,我们准备好一起展现脆弱。

These workshops usually start with folks sitting in a circle, introductions, a little-known fact about yourself, and then the ice starts to break before it all tumbles down and we're ready to be vulnerable together.

你知道吗,大概三辈子以前我曾经是个课堂老师,教学一直带给我巨大的满足感。

You know, I used to be a classroom teacher about 3 lifetimes ago, and teaching's always given me this tremendous satisfaction.

我真的很怀念那种感觉,2007年开始去参加Moth Slams。

I really missed it, and I started going to the Moth Slams in 2007.

有一天,制作人Jen Hickson招募志愿者为The Moth教授讲故事。

And one day, the producer, Jen Hickson, asked for volunteers to teach storytelling for the Moth.

我立刻抓住了这个机会,然后缠了Jen好几个星期,直到我出现在名单上。

I jumped on it, and I bugged Jen about it for weeks until I got on the roster.

到现在我已经在The Moth教学18年了。

I've been teaching with the Moth now for 18 years.

这是巨大的荣誉,而且有一种快乐来自于教人们如何对自己诚实,以及如何清晰明了地讲述出来。

It's a tremendous honor, and there's a joy that comes from teaching folks how to be honest with themselves and how to talk about it in a crystal clear way.

你走进这些教室,和这些孩子们交谈,以前从来没有人像这样倾听过他们。

You go into these classrooms and you talk to these kids and no one's ever listened to them like this before.

他们从来没有机会站到人们面前,说出自己心里的话,而不必说服任何人相信他们所说的价值。

They haven't ever had the opportunity to get in front of people and say something from their mind without having to convince anybody of the value of what it is they're saying.

这些孩子大多数,你一开始接触,他们就会说,啊,我没有什么故事。

Most of these kids, you get in there and they're like, ah, I don't have any stories.

我没什么可说的。

There's nothing I have to say.

没人会在乎的。

No one's gonna care.

而到了那六周或八周,或者无论你们一起相处了多长时间,他们就会明白。

And by the end of that 6 or 8 weeks or however long you get to spend time together, they figured it out.

他们意识到了,他们的故事是有价值的。

They realize it, that their stories have value.

他们的经历是真实的,是属于自己的,他们可以帮助自己,也可以帮助他人。

Their experiences are real, they're theirs, and they can help themselves and they can help others.

你只需要从头开始,说实话。

All you gotta do is start at the beginning and tell the truth.

所以,这期节目聚焦于The Moth教育项目,简称MothEDU。

So, this hour is focused on the Moth Education Program, MothEDU for short.

所以,请放松听。

So sit back and listen.

没压力。

No pressure.

不会对你的参与进行评分。

You won't be graded on your participation.

我们的第一个故事来自Ara Vachekian。

Our first story comes from Ara Vachekian.

Ara Vachekian参加了Moth Story Lab,这是一个为期八周的故事讲述工作坊,可以线下或线上参加,面向纽约市和全国的高中生。

Ara Vachekian participated in the Moth Story Lab, which is an 8-week storytelling workshop, in person or virtual, for high school students in New York City and around the country.

后来她在Education Grand Slam(教育大满贯)上讲述了自己的故事。

She went on to tell her story at the Education Grand Slam.

下面是Aarava。

Here's Aarava.
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我进入了一所进步派宗教学校读高中,说它进步是因为有男女同班。

I was entering high school at a progressive religious school, and when I— and it was considered progressive because there were mixed gender classes.

第一天我穿着一条全新的过膝连衣裙,满怀乐观地走进去。

I walked in on my first day with a brand new dress that went below my knees and a boatload of optimism.

我对这所学校特别兴奋,因为这是三州地区唯一一所提供BC微积分的犹太学校。

I was really excited for this school because this was the only Jewish school in the tri-state area that offered BC Calculus.

我决定,因为我认识有人这么做过,所以我要在高中第二年修BC微积分。

And I decided, because I knew someone who did it, that I was going to take BC Calculus my sophomore year.

为了准备,我在高中之前的暑假修了代数二。

And in preparation, I took Algebra 2 the summer before high school.

第一天我看着课表,发现星期一第三节课是代数二。

I looked at my schedule that first day, and I saw that 3rd period on Monday was Algebra 2.

学校还不认识我。

The school didn't know me.

我也不认识他们。

I didn't know them.

我相信一切都会没事的,到星期二早上,我就能进预备微积分的班了。

I'm sure it would all be okay, and by Tuesday morning, I'd be in a precalculus class.

你知道数学课上那种特别烦人的小孩吧,坐在第一排,手像粘了胶水一样一直举着,老师还没把问题问完就抢着回答。

You know that really annoying kid in math class who sits in the front row, has their hands superglued in the air, and doesn't let the teacher finish asking the questions before answering?

我下定决心要当那种小孩。

I was determined to be that kid.

下课后,我走到老师面前,给他看我的成绩单。

After class, I went up to my teacher and showed him my transcript.

他看着我说,我今天也是第一天。

He looked at me and he said, it's my first day too.

我不知道该怎么办。

I don't know what I'm doing.

你得去找数学系主任。

You're going to have to go talk to the head of the math department.

为了找到数学系主任,我得先找到数学系。

In order to find the head of the math department, I had to find the math department.

就是那个也叫“地堡”的地方。

Which was also known as The bunker.

在学校的地下室,没有窗户,没有自然光,只有闪烁的卤素灯,把每个人都照得病恹恹的。

Located in the basement of my school, it had no windows, no natural light, just flickering halogen lights that cast everyone in a sickly pallor.

数学系主任看了我代数二的成绩,然后看着我,他说,等你第一次考试后再说吧。

The head of the math department looked at my grade in Algebra 2, and then he looked at me, and he told me, we'll see after your first test.

这有点不合理,但也不是完全不合理的。

That's a little unreasonable, but not totally unreasonable.

我第一次考试得了102分。

I got a 102 on my first test.

太好了!

Wonderful!

他看了看我的102分,然后又看着我,说,等你第二次考试后再说吧。

He looked at my 102, and then he looked at me, and he said, we'll see after your second test.

102分还不够吗?

That was 102 not enough?

我第二次考试没考那么好。

I didn't do as well on my second test.

我得了98分。

I got a 98.

他看了看我的98分。

He looked at my 98.

然后又看着我说,现在是学年太晚了。

And then he looked at me, and he said, it's too late in the school year.

你今年不能修预备微积分了。

You can't take precalculus this year.

对不起。

I'm sorry.

我觉得这很荒谬,我妈也觉得很荒谬,所以那天结束的时候,我就报名了学校外面的一门在线预微积分课程。

I thought this was ridiculous, and my mother thought this was ridiculous, so by the end of that day, I was signed up for an online precalculus class outside of school.

这里我得提一下,当别人问数学系主任,为什么我不能在十年级学BC微积分、在九年级学预微积分的时候,他解释说他们没有足够的资源给我。

I should mention at this point that when someone else asked the head of the math department why I couldn't take BC calculus my sophomore year and precalculus my freshman year, He explained that they didn't have enough resources for me.

不过当时确实有四个男生在上高级数学课,所以我想四个就是上限了。

They did have 4 boys, though, taking advanced math at the time, so I guess 4 is just the maximum.

高中一年级结束时,我带着预微积分的成绩回到了那个地堡。

At the end of my freshman year of high school, I returned to the bunker with my precalculus grade.

他看了看我的预微积分成绩,又看了看我,然后又看了看那个A+,再看着我说:你知道吗,我们有个暑期预微积分课程。

He looked at my precalculus grade, and then he looked at me, and then he looked at the A+ again, and he looked at me and he said, You know, we have this program where you can take precalculus over the summer.

我指着我的成绩跟他说,我已经上过这门课了。

I pointed to my grade, and I told him, I've already taken this class.

他说,不,我们的预微积分不一样。

And he said, no, our precalculus is different.

过了那个暑期学完预微积分之后,我可以证明,不管你在哪儿学,单位圆还是那个单位圆。

After spending that summer taking precalculus, I can testify that the unit circle is still the unit circle, no matter where you learn it.

我十年级被允许上BC微积分了。

I was allowed to take BC calculus my sophomore year.

在我的高中数学学习生涯中,我第一次觉得自己真的在飞。

And for the first time in my high school math career, I really felt like I was flying.

我在学积分。

I was learning integrals.

我在学导数。

I was learning derivatives.

我学了一个叫泰勒级数的东西,真的很酷。

I learned something called a Taylor series, which is really cool.

就是当你有一个函数,然后用导数来近似这个函数,展开成级数。

It's when you have a function, and then you use derivatives to approximate that function in a series.

当你把这些项加起来,往级数里加更多项的时候,它就会越来越接近这个函数,看这个过程真的很美。

And as you add them up, and you add more terms to the series, the closer and closer it approximates the function, and it's just beautiful to watch.

这也是计算器做数学的方法。

It's also how calculators do math.

所以当一个比我大的男生走过来跟我说,十年级上BC微积分可能不是个好主意,因为他只考了4分,我得非常非常努力才能拿到5分,这真的让我有点心碎。

And so it really broke my heart a little when an older boy who had taken BC Calculus his sophomore year came up to me and told me that maybe it wasn't such a good idea to take it your sophomore year because he got a 4 and I'd have to work really, really, really hard to get a 5.

我不想第三次学预微积分,所以我继续学下去了。

I was not interested in taking precalculus a 3rd time, so I continued on.

那年晚些时候,一个九年级的男生问我,十年级上BC微积分是不是个好主意,我再一问,发现他其实已经被录取了。

And later on that year, a freshman boy asked me whether it was a good idea to take BC calculus my sophomore year, and after further questioning, it came out that he had actually been offered.

他拿到了名额,还不太确定要不要。

The spot and wasn't even sure whether he wanted it.

另一个九年级的女生也来问我同样的问题,我告诉她这是个绝妙的主意,如果她真的感兴趣,应该给数学系主任发邮件。

Another freshman girl came up to me with the same question, and I told her it was a fantastic idea, and if she really was interested, she should email the head of the math department.

在我们各走各路之前——我去上历史课,她去上希伯来语课——她开玩笑地对我说,你最好考个5分,这样我才能也上这门课。

Before we both went our separate ways, me to history and her to Hebrew, she told me teasingly, you better get a 5, which is the highest score you can get on an AP, so I can take this class too.

她只是开个玩笑。

She was only joking.

后来,我去上数学课,正在学分部积分。

Later on, I went to math class, and I was learning integration by parts.

数学老师正写着一个U,突然盖上笔帽,小心地放在笔托上,转过身来面对我。

And while my math teacher was in the middle of writing out a U, he all of a sudden capped his marker, placed it carefully in the tray, and turned around to face me.

他双手合十告诉我,如果你这次考试拿不到5分,那会对我不好,也会对你不好。

He clasped his hands together and told me, if you don't get a 5 on this exam, it'll reflect badly on me, and it will reflect badly on you.

所以你一定要拿到5分。

So you have to get a 5.

没压力,但你得拿5分。

No pressure, but you have to get a 5.

我确实在BC微积分考试中拿到了5分。

I did, in fact, get a 5 on the BC Calculus exam.

可能是因为我代数2学了两遍,微积分预科学了两遍。

Maybe because I took Algebra 2 twice and Precalculus twice.

我现在已经不在那所学校了,但更重要的是,那个大一女生,她高二就在那里学BC微积分了。

And I no longer attend that school, but more importantly, that freshman girl, she's taking BC Calculus there as a sophomore.

谢谢。

Thank you.
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那是Aarava Chakran。

That was Aarava Chakran.

她现在在上大学,你信不信她主修计算机科学和数学?

She is now at university, and would you believe she majors in computer science and math?

Aarava现在仍然很喜欢帕斯卡三角形和泰勒级数,还是大学辩论队的成员。

Aarava still loves Pascal's triangle and the Taylor series and is a member of the university's debate team.
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我们的下一个故事是由Edie Wadman讲述的。

Our next story was told by Edie Wadman.
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我们是在纽约的Moth故事实验室遇见Edie的。

We met Edie at the Moth Story Lab here in New York.

以下是Edie在2025年春季Moth教育大满贯活动上的讲述。

Here's Edie at the Moth's Education Grand Slam in the spring of 2025.
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我在布鲁克林一个奇怪的郊区社区长大,那里特别适合拍Verizon广告,因为房子看起来放哪儿都行,街道看起来就是为玩踢罐子游戏量身定做的。

I grew up in this weird suburban neighborhood of Brooklyn, perfect for Verizon commercials because the houses look like they could be anywhere and the streets look like they were made for playing kick the can.

我小时候有四个朋友住在踢罐子街,也就是我家拐角那个死胡同。

I had 4 friends growing up who lived on Kick the Can Street, aka the cul-de-sac around the corner from my house.

整个小学期间,我都会去那里,我们,我们,我们会发明各种游戏,大部分都跟吃土有关。

And so all throughout elementary school, I would go over there and we, we, and we would make up games, most of which involving eating dirt.

等我们长大一点,到了初中,我会去那里,坐在死胡同里规划我们的未来,具体说就是高中一毕业就要去欧洲背包旅行。

And as we got older and we reached middle school, I would go over there and we would sit on the cul-de-sac and plan our future, specifically a backpacking trip around Europe that we would take the second that we graduated from high school.

为了给那次旅行筹钱,我们需要资金,所以我们想出了各种商业点子。

In order to fund said trip, we needed funds, so we came up with business ideas.

开一个著名的服装品牌,组一个著名的摇滚乐队,只要能赚好多好多钱的都行。

Starting a famous clothing line, starting a famous rock band, anything that can make us lots and lots of money.

但从小到大,我一直更务实一些。

But growing up, I was always more of a realist.

小时候,我是第一个提议咱们慢慢别吃土了的人。

And when we were kids, I was the first one to suggest that maybe we bring the dirt eating to a gentle close.

长大一点后,我是第一个指出我们谁都不会缝纫,更别说演奏乐器了的人。

And as we got older, I was the first one to point out that none of us could really sew, never mind play a musical instrument.

但12岁的时候,有一个商业点子我觉得能带我们去欧洲,那就是当保姆。

But at 12 years old, there was one business idea that I thought could take us to Europe, and that was babysitting.

于是有一天,我们走遍了整个社区,把传单贴在每一根路灯柱上,上面用印刷体写着我们12岁的电话号码。

So one day, we walked around the neighborhood, and we plastered flyers on every single lamppost with our 12-year-old phone numbers written in block print.

能出什么差错呢?

What could go wrong?

然后我们就等啊等,再等啊等,等了好几个星期,一个电话都没接到,我整个人都崩溃了。

And we waited, and we waited, and when we waited some more, and when weeks passed, and we hadn't received a single call, I was crushed.

四年后,我又试了一次。

Four years later, I tried again.

一直等到我16岁生日前一个月,我才终于接到了第一单活儿。

It took until about a month before my 16th birthday for me to finally book my first gig.

这回是大人方式,不是贴传单,而是通过Facebook。

The big girl way, not through flyers on lampposts, but through Facebook.

我的第一单活儿就在踢罐子街拐角附近,所以那条路我很熟。

My first gig was around the corner from Kick the Can Street, so I knew the route well.

我自信地走过去,自信地上了电梯,自信地走过走廊,自信地跟他们握手。

I walked over confidently, went up the elevator confidently, walked down the hallway confidently, shook their hand confidently.

我从小就觉得我已经准备好照顾小孩了,所以我当时还挺有信心的。

I had felt ready to take care of kids since I was a kid, so I was feeling pretty confident.

我挥手说了再见。

I waved goodbye.

我转头看向那个婴儿。

I turned to the baby.

然后,事情就开始了。

And then it began.

刺耳的尖叫,还有哇哇大哭的泪水。

The ear-splitting scream and the blubbering tears.

她妈妈可能还在电梯里。

Her mom was probably still in the elevator.

才过了十五秒。

It had been 15 seconds.

现在我可没办法开口求助。

There was no way I could ask for help now.

那样会毁了我的Facebook形象。

That would ruin my Facebook reputation.

所以我就等着。

And so I waited.

十分钟,二十分钟。

10 Minutes, 20 minutes.

我把她颠在胯上,又像哄婴儿那样抱在怀里——我听说是这么哄的——但都没用。

I bounced her on my hip, I cradled her in my arms the way one does to a baby, so I have heard, but nothing helped.

到这时候,她嘴里都冒泡了,跟詹姆斯·邦德里的反派似的。

At this point, she was foaming at the mouth like a James Bond villain.

很明显,我这是要害死她。

Clearly, I was killing her.

所以我认输了。

And so I gave in.

我给她妈打了电话。

I called her mom.

我就说,嘿,你还在附近吗?

I was like, hey, any chance you're still in the neighborhood?

我现在真不知道该咋办。

I don't really know what to do right now.

她人特别好。

And she was so nice.

她说,别担心,姑娘,我就在街那头。

She was like, don't worry, girl, I'm right up the block.

过来吧。

Come on over.

于是我们就过去了。

And so we went on over.

我带宝宝下楼,求那个UPS快递员帮我弄那些扣子、带子和婴儿车的结构,因为那东西不是一看就会的。

I took the baby downstairs, I asked the UPS man for help with the buttons and the straps and the mechanics of the stroller, because it is not self-explanatory.

我们走到街那头,她妈就在那儿,她喊着,嘿,姑娘!

And we went down the block, and there her mom was, and she was all, hey girl!

我也回喊,嘿,姑娘!

And I was all, hey girl!

她人真的特别好。

And she was so nice.

剩下的时间,我们都在聊布鲁克林的朋克乐队,还有现在的小孩都在干啥。

We spent the rest of the hour talking about Brooklyn punk bands and what the kids are up to these days.

但我心里想大喊,我哪知道?

But I felt like screaming, how should I know?

我哪知道现在的小孩都在干啥?

How should I know what the kids are up to these days?

我又不是小孩。

I am not a kid.

我是保姆。

I am a babysitter.

我以为我走进那间公寓,就会被平等对待。

I thought that when I walked into that apartment, I would be treated like an equal.

我以为等我把宝宝哄睡,她妈回来,我们能喝杯桑格利亚,聊聊关税的事儿。

I thought that after I put the baby to sleep and her mom came home, we could sip sangria and talk about tariffs.

但没有。

But no.

那两小时一结束,她就很甜地跟我告别,把30美元全付清了,但我觉得很丢脸。

As soon as those 2 hours were up, she waved a very sweet goodbye and paid me in full all $30, but it was humiliating.

我不想要那钱。

I didn't want that money.

很明显,她根本没把我当回事。

It was clear she didn't take me seriously.

从来没人会像我希望的那样,把我当回事。

No one was ever going to take me seriously the way that I had wanted to be taken seriously.

所以我打算放弃了。

So I was just going to give up.

就这样,就在那一刻,那一刻。

That was it, right then, right there.

再也不干了。

No more of this.

但我没放弃,因为那条Facebook帖子还在那儿,而且我不但还在接活儿,还接得越来越多。它们并没有马上变得容易。

But I didn't give up, because the Facebook post was still up, and not only was I still booking gigs, but I was raking them in, and they didn't immediately start to get easier.

没人告诉你,当一个三岁小孩在餐桌上把青酱涂到小鸡鸡上时,你该怎么办。

No one tells you what to do when a 3-year-old puts pesto on his penis at the dinner table.

但后来,它们确实开始变得容易了。

But then they did start to get easier.

我开始帮一些大一点的孩子看孩子,他们教了我他们自己的游戏。

I started to babysit for some older kids, and they taught me their own games.

机器人卡片游戏,室内保龄球。

Robot card games, indoor bowling.

我自己也编了一些新游戏,主要是一些小技巧,帮他们按时刷牙。

And I made up some new games of my own, mainly tricks to help get them to brush their teeth on time.

等他们父母回家时,他们总是睡得香香的。

And by the time their parents came home, they were always fast asleep.

不知怎么的,不知不觉间,我成了一个挺不错的保姆。

Somehow, along the way, I had become a pretty good babysitter.

最后我挣够了钱,支付了欧洲背包旅行我那份。

I eventually made enough money to pay for my portion of the European backpacking trip.

我们一周后出发。

We leave in a week.

我高中毕业的第二天,就像我们计划的那样。

The day after I graduate from high school, just as we planned.

那之后四周,我们回到家。

4 Weeks after that, We arrive home.

那之后两周,我去加州上大学,离开我父母,离开那些小孩和他们的父母,离开那条我第一次试着玩那个神话般的踢罐子游戏的街道。

2 Weeks after that, I go to college in California, away from my parents and those kids and their parents in the street where I first attempted to play the mythological game of kick the can.

知道自己即将正式经历从童年到成年的重大转变,这种感觉比我想象的更奇怪,但也挺享受处于这样一个过渡期的。

It is a weirder feeling than I would have thought, knowing that I am about to go through this major transition from childhood into adulthood officially, but it's also kind of nice being in such a liminal space.

我不想被人当成比实际年龄小的孩子对待,我从来都不想,但我也不是很想被人当成比实际年龄大的大人对待。

I don't want to be treated younger than I am, I never have, but I also kind of don't want to be treated older than I am.

当我在做保姆,给小孩读书,他们笑得开心,玩得很爽,偶尔顺口叫我一声妈妈时,那超级可爱,感觉也超棒,因为我知道自己干得非常出色。

When I'm babysitting, and I'm reading to a kid, and they're laughing, and they're having a good time, and they slip up, and they call me mom, it's super cute, and it feels great, because I know that I am doing an excellent job.

但我发现,我喜欢完事后回家告诉我妈刚刚发生了这事。

But I realize that I like to go home after that and tell my own mom that that had just happened.

谢谢。

Thank you.
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F216:04

喔!

Woo!
M1
M116:10

刚才那是Edie Wadman。

That was Edie Wadman.

Edie喜欢在Prospect Park散步,扫视天空看鸽子编队飞行。

Edie loves walking in Prospect Park and scanning the sky for pigeons flying in formation.

她说她不再吃土了,在Pomona College的第一年里,她遇到的草食动物同伴比以往任何时候都多。

She says she no longer eats dirt and has met more fellow herbivores than ever in her first year at Pomona College.

她给其他做临时保姆的人提了个建议:千万别撒谎说自己会换尿布。

She offered a bit of advice for her fellow babysitters: never lie about knowing how to change a diaper.

不然你肯定不会再被雇用的。

You will not get hired back.
M1
M116:47

接下来,一段森林里的经历,还有一场捉人游戏。

In a moment, a journey in the woods and a game of manhunt.

《飞蛾电台时间》马上回来。

That's when The Moth Radio Hour continues.
M1
M117:10

这里是《飞蛾电台时间》。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是Peter Aguero。

I'm Peter Aguero.

我们刚刚听了一些关于翻篇和重新开始的故事。

We've been listening to stories of turning over a new leaf and hitting the reset button.

接下来的这个故事提醒我们,有时候重新开始也意味着带着过去的一部分前行。

This next story reminds us that sometimes starting over means bringing a piece of the past with you.

故事来自Max Trokko。

It comes from Max Trokko.

Max是在纽约布鲁克林BK1的一场Grand Slam比赛中讲的这个故事。

Max told this at a Grand Slam at BK1 in Brooklyn, New York.

唉,天哪。

Oh, man.

把这个带过来。

Bring this one.
F2
F217:28

过来。

Come here.
M1
M117:28

再靠近点。

Come closer.

再近点。

Come closer.
M2
M217:30

再近点。

Come closer.
F2
F217:32

过来。

Come closer.
M1
M117:33

好了,欢迎登台。

All right, welcome aboard.

不好意思,现在就让你上来。

Sorry to be going to you right now.
M3
M317:37

我住在林子里——不是说像那种好玩的树屋或者与世隔绝的生活,而是说我家就在这儿,林子就在这儿。

I live in the woods, not in a fun treehouse way or off-the-grid way, but I live in the woods in a way that my house is right here and the woods are right here.

其实,更像是这样。

Actually, more like this.

嗯,但我以前从来没怎么在意过它们,也不太喜欢它们。

Um, but I really never gave a lot of thought to them or cared much for them.

除了玩《堡垒之夜》时网络卡顿,我会骂它们几句。

Well, besides when I'd curse them for making my Wi-Fi lag while playing Fortnite.

但直到2019年3月和朋友玩捉人游戏,我才开始改变看法。

But that's up until I found myself playing Manhunt with my friends in March of 2019.

这个游戏——不知道你们知不知道捉人游戏是什么——它就像是强化版的捉迷藏。

And this game, I don't know if you guys know what Manhunt is, but it's like tag on steroids.

那次捉人游戏特别空灵,超现实,因为是“猴子的婚礼”——对不熟悉南非俚语的人来说,就是太阳和雨同时出现。

And this was a particularly kind of ethereal game of Manhunt, surreal game of Manhunt, because it was a monkey's wedding, which for those of you who aren't as well-versed as myself in South African slang, is when the sun and the rain are happening simultaneously.

我不知道你们有没有亲身经历过“猴子的婚礼”,更不用说在林子里了,但那真的很美,很不真实。

So, I don't know if you've experienced a monkey's wedding personally, let alone one in the woods, but it's kind of— it's beautiful, it's surreal.

你能看到雨水和阳光从上方树木的缝隙中洒下来。

You can kind of see the rain and the sun plugging the gaps of the trees up above.

我当时真的——我能感觉到自己完全沉浸在那一刻。

And I was really just— I could feel myself in the moment.

那感觉就像是那种你完全活在当下、开心笑着的时刻。

It felt like one of those moments where You're just present and you're having fun, smiling, laughing.

最后,我们又累又汗,可能还——抱歉,可能还挺臭的,就像十几岁男孩跑完步后那样。

And eventually, we were tired, sweaty, probably pretty— sorry, probably pretty smelly as teenage boys tend to be after they run around.

于是我们开始往回走,朝我家去。

So, we started to head back towards my house.

当我跨过那个标志着树林尽头和后院起点的门槛时,所有记忆一下子涌了回来。

And when I crossed the threshold that kind of marks where the woods end and my backyard begins, everything rushed back to me.

我感到一阵内疚。

I felt this sense of guilt.

就在那时,我想起了我们今天为什么会在这里。

And that's when I remembered the reason that we are here today.

是为了给我姐姐Scarlett办shiva,她在24小时前去世了。

And it was for my sister, Scarlett's shiva, who had passed 24 hours earlier.

基本上,shiva是犹太教的一种仪式,就是亲朋好友聚在一起,纪念逝者的生命。

And basically, a shiva is when, in the Jewish religion, you have friends and family come and celebrate somebody's life that passed.

我感到内疚,因为我姐姐不在了,但我却在这里开心着。

And I felt guilty because my sister was gone, but I was here happy.

我以前对悲伤的理解,都只来自电影或书里。

And I had really only seen grief portrayed in movies or books.

我从没见过悲伤被描绘成一个十岁小孩在雨中跟朋友跑来跑去玩捉迷藏。

And I'd never seen it portrayed as a 10-year-old running around with his friends in the rain playing Manhunt.

所以我当时有点不知所措。

So I was kind of at a loss.

shiva快结束了,朋友们也陆续离开,那些情绪才真正开始击中我。

The shiva was ending and my friends were leaving and it started to really hit me, all of these emotions.

于是我走进屋里,找我妈妈。

So I went into the house where my mom was.

她是我倾诉的对象,也是我最大的支持者。

She's my confidante and my biggest supporter.

她总能给我合适的建议,我是这么觉得的。

She always gives me the proper advice, I'd say.

我走到她面前跟她说,你知道吗,我是不是有什么问题?

And I went to her and I told her, you know, is there something wrong with me?

我是说,我姐姐才死了24小时,我就在这里跟朋友们玩捉迷藏,笑着,玩得很开心,好像什么都没发生一样。

I mean, my sister died 24 hours ago and I'm here playing Manhunt with my friends, smiling, having a great time as if nothing happened.

她对我说,如果你让世界上发生的每一件事,无论大小,都把你击垮,那你永远都不会真正快乐;而且我姐姐Scarlett也希望我能自由地活着,替我们两个活。

And she said to me that if you let everything the world throws at you, big or small, get you down, then you're never gonna be truly happy, and that my sister Scarlett would have wanted me to be free and live for the both of us.

所以当时,我可能——我大概会说,这很傻,或者直接不当回事,因为我根本没心情听建议,而且我觉得她只是在帮我掩盖我奇怪的应对方式。

So at the time, I would— I probably said something like, that's stupid, or just dismissed it because I wasn't really in the mood to take advice, and I thought she was just kind of helping me mask my weird coping mechanism.

但是,嗯,我累了,就朝我的房间走;可我的脚却自己有主意,把我带到了姐姐的房间。

But, um, I was tired, so I started to walk to my room, but my feet took a hold of me and they took me to my sister's room.

我走进她的房间;接下来听起来可能有点奇怪——每个人身上都有一种独特的气味,当人离开这个世界后,那种气味可能还会留着。

So I entered her room, and now this is going to sound really weird, but each person has a distinct smell, and when they're gone from the earth, their smell can still remain.

而我——

And I—.
F2
F221:33

什么?

What?
M3
M321:33

而我闻到了我姐姐的气味,就好像她还在那里一样。

And I smelled my sister as though she was there.

我坐在她的床上,能感觉到她坐在我旁边。

And I sat down on her bed, and I could feel her sitting next to me.

几乎能感觉到。

I could almost feel it.

然后我躺在枕头上,任由思绪飘散。

And then I laid down on the pillow, and I let my thoughts wander.

我发现自己的思绪在旋转,像一段蒙太奇,就像电影里播放的我和她一起创造的回忆蒙太奇。

I found myself— my thoughts swirling and kind of a montage, like a movie montage of my memories that I made with her playing.

我记得我们在宾夕法尼亚州的家里互相扔水球。

I could remember us throwing water balloons at each other in our house in Pennsylvania.

我甚至记得去那里的车上,我们一路吵架,她让我爸把我赶下车。

And I could even remember the car ride there where we fought the whole time and she made my dad kick me out of the car.

但就在那时我注意到,如果没有那些回忆,她的去世不会对我产生如此深远的影响,他们的快乐和痛苦可以共存,就像猴子婚礼一样。

But then that's when I noticed that without all of those memories, her death wouldn't have had such a profound impact on me and that their joy and pain can coexist, kind of like that monkey's wedding.

即使在下雨,太阳依然可以照耀。

Even if it's raining, the sun can still shine.

我闭上了眼睛。

I let my eyes close.

我睡着了,那是我一生中睡得最香的一次。

I went to sleep, and I had the best sleep of my life.

谢谢。

Thank you.
M1
M122:44

那是Max Chwacko。

That was Max Chwacko.

Max是纽约Westchester的一名高三学生,即将成为德州大学Longhorns的一员。

Max is a high school senior from Westchester, New York, and a soon-to-be Texas Longhorn.

他是Voyaged的创始人,这是一个扩大学生旅行机会的非营利组织。

He's the founder of Voyaged, a nonprofit expanding access to student travel.

他喜欢讲故事。

He loves telling and.

和收集故事,他和妈妈以及一群救助动物住在一起。

Collecting stories, and he lives with his mom and a menagerie of rescue animals.

Max讲这个故事的时候,我有幸主持了那场演出。

I had the honor of hosting the show when Max told this story.

那是一个美丽而寒冷的夜晚,在布鲁克林,Max对哀伤的成熟而克制的思考让我震惊。

It was a beautiful and cold night in Brooklyn, and I was stunned by Max's sophisticated and measured contemplation on grief.

那个故事在我心里停留了一段时间。

It stayed with me for a while.

最近我和Max聊了一次,能和他多坐一会儿就像一份礼物,我们想和你分享。

I got to have a conversation with Max recently, and it, it felt like a gift to get to sit with him just a little longer, and we wanted to share it with you.

第一,我只是好奇,你知道,当你年轻的时候,你甚至不太明白悲伤是什么。

One, I have— I'm just out of curiosity, you know, when you're young, you don't really have a sense of even what grief is.

随着年龄增长,你不得不去面对它,因为它是生活的一部分。

And as you get older, you're forced to deal with it because it's part of life.

因为我觉得你会带着它很久,你知道吧?

Because I feel like you carry that with you for a long time, you know?
M4
M423:40

嗯,我完全同意。

Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with that.

我是说,这么说可能有点伤感,但我觉得很多时候悲伤几乎是休眠的。

I mean, I'd say that, like, it's kind of a sad thing to say, but like, I feel like A lot of the time, you know, grief can be like almost dormant.

不是说我会好几个月不想起我妹妹,但现在毕竟已经七八年了。

And I mean, it's not like I don't think of my sister for months, but, you know, it's not like at this point, you know, it's been 7, 8 years.
M5
M524:02

嗯。

Yeah.
M4
M424:02

说出来有点难过,但我并不是每天都会想起她。

And I, you know, it's sad to say, but I don't always think of her every day.

当然,她永远会留在你心里。

I mean, obviously, it's always gonna, gonna stick with you.

你知道,它会在不同的时刻冒出来。

You know, it can, you know, rear its head at different times.

但可以肯定的是,它一直伴随着你。

But, and it's always with you, that's for certain.

所以,尽管我的生活在一天之内天翻地覆,我基本上还是同一个人。

So even though, you know, my life had kind of completely changed, you know, been turned upside down within a day, I was still kind of the same person.

在很多方面,我的生活还是一样的。

And in a lot of ways, my life was still the same.

所以,我觉得两件事可以同时成立,这真的很有意思。

So yeah, I think it's really kind of interesting how 2 things can really be true at once.

你甚至可以同时感受到多种情绪,哪怕它们是矛盾的。

And you can even feel multiple ways at once, even if they're contradicting emotions.

所以,是的,我想这大概是我能分享的一个观点,也就是我的故事想要传达的。

So yeah, I definitely think that that was kind of a big, I guess, if I could impart a piece of information, that that would probably be, uh, you know, what my story was trying to impart.
M1
M125:03

你觉得能把它说出来,对你有帮助吗?

Did you find it helpful to be able to give voice to it?

因为那个故事非常具体,是关于悲伤的,而你几乎是直面它的。

Like, 'cause it was very specific about the story that it was about the grief and you very much stared it right in the face.

所以我觉得真正的问题是,你有没有觉得这对你来说是有益的?

So I guess the real question is like, did you find that to be a benefit for you?
M4
M425:19

是啊,我觉得真的很有益,因为,你知道,当然在人们面前讲是一回事,但我觉得最不舒服的部分大概是大声说出那些话,因为,你知道,我是说,我一直觉得自己在表达情感方面还不错,但同时,哪怕在自己脑子里想这件事都很难。

Yeah, I think it really was a benefit because I mean, obviously the people were one thing, like, you know, telling it in front of people, but I'd say like the most uncomfortable part to me was probably saying all that out loud because, you know, I mean, I'd say that I've always been like good about expressing my emotions, but at the same time, it's, you know, difficult to even want to think about that in my own head.

而且那真的很好,我是说,我加入Moth项目时,并没觉得那是我自己的故事。

And it was really nice to, I mean, I didn't go into the Moth program thinking that that was my story.

我是说,我甚至不完全记得它是怎么变成我的故事的,但你知道,讲出来感觉很宣泄。

I mean, I don't even fully remember how I, how it came to be my story, but I, you know, it felt very cathartic to say.

大声说出来,表达我自己。

Out loud and express myself.

而且这很好,因为感觉更有条理——它有点像,嗯,给了个框架。

And it was nice because it felt like more formatted than— it kind of, uh, it gave a structure.
M1
M126:11

是啊,是啊,给这一堆说不清道不明的情绪搭了个框架。

Yeah, yeah, it gave a structure to this amorphous bunch of feelings.

你记得某个时刻吗,你知道,在工作坊里的任何事情?

Do you remember a moment, you know, anything from the workshop?

因为那真的很有意思。

Because it's, it's fascinating.

比如,我怎么会走到这一步?

Like, how did I even get here?

而且它是来自一连串你都没意识到的提问。

And it's from a series of questions that you don't even realize.

那么,在工作坊里,有没有什么时刻、问题、活动或者领悟,你觉得特别有帮助的?

So like, was there any moments or questions or activities or insights that you remember that were really helpful in the workshop?
M4
M426:32

说实话,我觉得可能有一个来自你的问题,有点让我印象深刻。

Honestly, I think there might've been one from you that kind of stuck with me.

就是当我讲的时候,可能是彩排那次,我们第一次见面的时候。

Like when I was telling it, though, it was maybe the dress rehearsal when we'd first met you.

我记得故事差不多定稿了,但出于某种原因,我没有提到我姐姐Scarlett的名字。

But I remember like the story was pretty final, but I, for some reason, wasn't saying like my sister Scarlett's name.

我是说,我甚至没意识到自己没提她的名字,但我觉得,当我把名字加进去时,对我来说,说实话,念出她的名字感觉真的很好。

And I mean, I didn't even realize that I wasn't saying her name, but I feel like when I put it in, for me, it felt kind of honestly really good to say her name.

因为当你说出某个人的名字时,感觉更像是,你知道,他们好像还活着,或者即使他们不在了,他们的记忆仍然活着。

Because when you kind of say someone's name, it feels more like, you know, they're kind of living, or even if they're not living, they're still— their memory is still living.
M1
M127:11

如果你的故事里有什么没讲到的,或者有些东西放不进去,而你希望大家了解Scarlett,或者你和她之间的事情?

If there was something in your story or something that didn't fit, and you'd love people to know something about Scarlett or you and Scarlett?
M4
M427:18

我是说,有很多事情浮现在我脑海里,但第一个想到的,虽然有点傻,就是我们之间所有的拌嘴,哪怕是很小的时候,我们真的吵得特别厉害,有一次家庭旅行,我爸爸开玩笑地,显然,让我下车。

I mean, there's a ton of things that come to mind, but the first thing that kind of comes to mind, which is kind of silly, but all of the bickering we did, even like, even as young kids, we would literally bicker so much that on one of our family trips, my dad jokingly, obviously, uh, told me to go out of the car.

然后他说要把我留在加油站,比如,他们都在——我们就是吵成那样。

And then he said that he was gonna leave me at the gas station, like, while they were all at— like, that was how much we were fighting.

但我也总记得,吵完没多久我们就和好了,然后又像最好的朋友一样。

But I always remember then right after we would make up, we were like, really best friends.

而且哪怕我们小,我总觉得什么都能跟她说,在她身边,我感觉很自在。

And even though we were young, I always like could tell her anything, and I just felt myself around her.
M1
M127:56

真美啊,哥们。

That's beautiful, man.

非常感谢你的分享。

Thank you so much for sharing.

Max Trocco,大家掌声欢迎。

Max Trocco, everyone.

接下来,我们要进入一个波折的高三,然后到The Moth Radio Hour的开头,这个节目由马萨诸塞州伍兹霍尔的Atlantic Public Media制作。

In a moment, we head into a bumpy senior year and then to the start of The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

这里是The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是Peter Aguero。

I'm Peter Aguero.

我家里书桌上放着一幅刺绣的字画,上面有我和我的心理医生纳丁一起想出来的一句类似座右铭的话。

There's an embroidered sampler at my desk at home with a sort of mantra on it I came to with my therapist, Nadine.

上面写着:“我怨恨自己不得不接受这一切。”

It says, I resent that I have to accept this.

这句话基本上概括了我认为我们该如何在这个令人抓狂又美丽的世界里活下去。

This pretty much sums up the way I believe we can make it through this maddening and beautiful world.

带着这个想法,接下来有请霍普·古泽尔。

With that in mind, here's Hope Guzel.

霍普在福坦莫法学院学生参加的三天“飞蛾”工作坊结束后的最后一次分享会上讲述了自己的故事,这些学生正在学习讲述自己的故事,以便更好地讲述他人的故事。

Hope told her story at a final share after a 3-day Moth workshop with Fordham Law students learning to tell their own stories so they can better tell the stories of others.

下面请听霍普的讲述。

Here's Hope.
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2024年6月,我被诊断出患有第四期结肠癌。

In June of 2024, I was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer.

这真的很不方便,因为我本来应该在8月份开始法学院的学习。

Which was really inconvenient because I was supposed to be starting law school in August.

上法学院是我一生的梦想,而且我已经推迟过一次了。

It had been my lifelong dream to go to law school, and I'd already delayed it once.

大三的时候,我被诊断出第三期结肠癌,不得不推迟LSAT备考,我真的不想再来一次了。

My junior year of college, I was diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer, and I had to push my LSAT studying back, and I just could not go through that again.

所以我说,好吧,我飞回阳光明媚的佛罗里达州坦帕老家,切除结肠,然后再看看能接受什么样的治疗。

So I said, okay, I will fly home to beautiful sunny Tampa, Florida, get my colon removed, and then we will figure out what kind of treatment I could get.

医生给了我两个可能的方案。

The doctor presented me with 2 potential paths.

一是化疗加放疗,这个创伤很大,是比较传统的治疗方法。

Either I could get chemo— chemotherapy and radiation, which would be incredibly invasive and was the more traditional approach.

但像我这种情况,有些人可能有资格在纽约市接受一种相当革命性的免疫疗法,刚好我计划去的法学院就在那里。

But some people in my situation could be eligible for a pretty revolutionary form of immunotherapy offered up in New York City, conveniently where I was planning to go to law school.

所以手术恢复得差不多之后,我和妈妈、外公一起飞到了纽约。

So after I recovered, kind of, from surgery, my mother, my grandfather, and I flew up to New York.

在MSK见到了我那位天才又了不起的医生西尔塞克医生,她批准我去上法学院了。

Met with my genius, amazing doctor, Dr. Sirsek over at MSK, and was cleared to go to law school.

她不仅批准我接受治疗,还允许我完全正常地生活。

I was not only cleared for the treatment, but was cleared to completely live my life normally.

她只是建议我稍微放慢节奏,放松一点,读法学院的时候比大多数人轻松一些。

She just suggested that maybe I lay back a little, relax, and maybe take law school a little bit easier than most people.

只要我这么做,等到1月份回去找她复查治疗效果时,一切应该都会顺利。

So long as I did that, when I met back with her in January to ensure the treatment was working, all should be fine.

我听了她的建议,付了福坦莫那笔离谱的学费,然后决定完全无视她说的每一句话。

I took her words of advice, paid my obscene amount of money to Fordham, and decided to ignore everything she told me.

我决定要做一个拼命三郎。

I decided I was going to be a killer.

我不跟任何人说话。

I wasn't going to talk to anyone.

我每周要学习八十个小时。

I was going to work 80 hours a week.

我要全身心沉浸在法律中。

I was going to live and breathe the law.

不学习的时候,我就听法律相关的播客。

And when I wasn't doing that, I was going to listen to legal podcasts.

所以,不用说,我这个人那时真的很无趣。

So, suffice to say, I was really fun to hang out around.

这样一来,我把自己搞得病得很重。

In doing so, I made myself incredibly sick.

我拼命学习,不让自己睡觉,而治疗期间我真的很需要睡眠,然后大脑就变得非常迷糊,接着我又回去学习。

I would be studying nonstop so that I wouldn't sleep, and I really needed the sleep with the treatment, and then I'd get really bad brain fog, and then I would get back to studying.

或者我呕吐,然后在卫生间待上好几个小时,心里想,天哪,我又错过了本可以用来学习的时间。

Or I would be throwing up, and then I would be up in the bathroom for hours, and I would think, oh my God, I missed that time I could have been studying.

我满脑子都是这个念头。

That was all I could think.

然后我就更晚睡,脑子就更迷糊了。

So then I would stay up later, and then the brain fog would get worse.

你懂的。

You get the idea.

真的不太好。

It really wasn't great.

但我一直这样撑到了期末考试。

But I continued on like that until finals.

我全力以赴。

I put my everything into it.

我特别在乎这些成绩。

I cared so much about these grades.

在法学院的人都知道,一年级成绩真的是决定一切的东西。

For those of you who are in law school, first-year grades are really shown to be the end-all be-all.

大家对它特别看重。

They're so important to people.

所以我给自己施加了很大压力。

So I was putting that pressure on myself.

成绩十二月才出来,所以我就放松了一下。

You don't get your grades back until December, so I got to relax.

我回家后,我妈说:见到你太高兴了。

When I came home, my mom said, I'm so happy to see you.

咱们把那个癌症复查约好吧。

Let's get that cancer appointment set up.

跟你的医生约一下。

With your doctor.

我就说:哦对,那个……嗯,那件事不太妙,但我们还是去吧。

And I was like, oh yeah, that, that's not, that's not great, but we'll go do that.

于是我就放松了。

So I get to relax.

我们一月份飞过去。

We fly up in January.

我很快发现,见医生的那天正好是 1L 成绩出来的同一天。

I quickly learned that the day that I'm meeting with my doctor is the same day that I get my 1L grades back.

这太打击人了。

This was devastating.

我从对复查有点焦虑,变成了对成绩超级焦虑。

I went from being kind of anxious about the appointment to super anxious about the grades.

感觉我满脑子就只想着这个。

Like, that was all I could focus on.

说起来挺可笑的。

It was pretty ridiculous.

我妈陪我住。

My mom stays with me.

我们从我在西区的公寓打车到上东区去见医生。

We take the cab over from my apartment on the West Side over to the Upper East to go meet with my doctor.

她走进来,脸上挂着大大的笑容。

She walks in, huge smile on her face.

她说:治疗效果非常好。

She says, the treatment is working so well.

太棒了。

It's amazing.

我妈在哭。

My mom's crying.

我也在哭。

I'm crying.

她也在哭。

She's crying.

那真是太美好了。

It was wonderful.

我和妈妈决定去Sant'Ambroeus庆祝一下,吃点价格虚高的意大利清淡菜。

My mom and I decide to go celebrate with some overpriced light Italian fare over at Sant'Ambroeus.

然后我们就走进去了。

And yeah, we walk in.

店里是温暖的木质镶板。

We have the warm wood paneling.

我们坐下来。

We go sit down.

我坐在一个奇怪的丝绒卡座里,正扒拉着那盘50美元却极其一般的意面,周围全是最奇怪的人。这时候——我的群聊突然炸了,说:"天哪,1L的成绩全出来了。"

I sit on this weird kind of velvet booth where I'm just picking at my $50 really mediocre pasta surrounded by the weirdest people ever when I get— when my group chat starts blowing up saying, oh my God, 1L grades completely dropped.

于是我去了洗手间。

So I go to the bathroom.

洗手间很冷,这本来应该是个预兆。

It was cold, and that should have been a sign.

我看了手机,朋友们,成绩真的很差。

I check my phone, and guys, the grades were really bad.

非常差。

They were really bad.

我不是说"天哪,我从来都是4.0,现在只有3.7了"那种。

I don't mean like, oh my God, I always had a 4.0 and now I have a 3.7.

我该怎么——

How am I going to—.
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不。

No.
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我不是那个意思。

That's not what I'm talking about.

差得一塌糊涂。

They were atrociously bad.

我彻底崩溃了。

And I just break down.

我难过得差点吐出来。

I almost throw up, I'm so upset.

但我泼了点水在脸上,然后出去找我妈妈。

But I splash some water on my face and go out back to my mom.

她看得出来我有点难过。

She can tell I'm a little upset.

她很了解我,而且我也不擅长隐藏情绪。

She knows me pretty well, and I'm also horrible at hiding my emotions.

然后她问我怎么了。

And then she asks me what's wrong.

我说:"嗯,妈,说实话,治疗的事,是好事。"

And I say, well, Mom, to be honest, the treatment stuff, that's great.

我的成绩很差。

My grades were pretty bad.

我就这么告诉她。

And I tell her this.

她看着我,说:"你他妈在逗我吗?"

And she looks at me and she goes, are you fucking kidding me?

你刚得知自己不会死了,你担心的就是这个?

You just found out that you aren't going to die and this is what you're worried about?

就一些略低于平均分的成绩?

Some slightly below average grades?
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得了吧。

Give me a break.
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我知道她说得对。

And I knew she was right.

我感觉自己快死了,这很荒谬,因为我刚得知自己其实不会死。

I felt like I was dying, which is crazy because I literally just found out that I wasn't.
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但就是这样。

But yeah.
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我意识到我根本控制不了自己的情绪。

Realize I couldn't control any of my emotions.

于是我说,哇,我现在简直像个精神病。

So I say, wow, I'm being a psychopath right now.

我真的不应该这样表现。

I really should not be acting like this.

所以我想,也许我这一刻控制不了自己的感受,但也许我应该试着向前走,表现得像个正常人。

So I decide maybe I can't control how I feel in this moment, but maybe I should try to act like a normal person moving forward.

于是我做了些疯狂的事。

So I do some crazy stuff.

我开始跟人聊天,遇见了大概三个我真正喜欢的人,这在法学院里挺让人兴奋的。

I start talking to people, and I meet like 3 that I actually like, which is really exciting in law school.

我偶尔开始出去散步。

I start Going on walks occasionally.

我给家人打电话,连那些特别烦人的也打,然后我真的开始感觉好一点了。

I call my family members, even the really annoying ones, and I start to actually feel a little better.

这种恢复并不是一条完美的直线。

And this recovery of sorts wasn't perfectly linear.

我确实有过一些时刻,又回到了之前模仿的那种行为,但我好起来了,而且一直在变好。

I definitely had moments where I kind of went back to the behavior that I was mirroring before, but I was better and I was getting better.

而且成绩居然真的变好了,这特别让人兴奋。

And the grades actually got better, which was really exciting.

在整个治疗过程中,我越是注重工作与生活的平衡,我的结果就越好。

And the more I've leaned into work-life balance throughout the duration of my treatment, the better my outcomes have been.

所以我绝不会说我很感激得过癌症,因为那是个大谎话,但我很感激它教会了我如何平衡成功和生活。

So while I would never say I would exact— I was grateful for having had cancer, because that would be a big fat lie, I am grateful for what it taught me about balancing success and life.

我依然可以去追求那些宏大的目标,同时确保我优先考虑过上更充实、更美好的生活。

I can still go after these big lofty goals while making sure I'm prioritizing having a bigger, more beautiful life.

谢谢。

Thank you.
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那是Hope Guzel。

That was Hope Guzel.

Hope来自佛罗里达州的坦帕,现在是福特汉姆法学院三年级的学生。

Hope is originally from Tampa, Florida, and is in her 3rd year of Fordham Law.

她很兴奋地分享说,她的治疗很快就要结束了。

She's excited to share that her treatment is wrapping up very soon.

为了庆祝并感谢她出色的医疗团队,她将在十一月参加纽约市马拉松,为Fred's Team筹款,这是Memorial Sloan Kettering医院的官方跑步团队,支持癌症研究。

To celebrate and thank her amazing medical team, she'll be running the New York City Marathon in November to raise money for Fred's Team, the official running team at Memorial Sloan Kettering to support cancer research.

她以前从来没跑过马拉松,但这感觉是个很棒的开始方式。

She's never run before, but this feels like a fantastic way to start.
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喔!

Whoo!
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我们最后一个故事由Andrew McGill讲述。

Our final story is told by Andrew McGill.

Andrew是在教育主舞台日场讲这个故事的,每年一次我们邀请学校来参加两个课时的早晨,享受一场现场故事秀。

Andrew told this at the Education Mainstage Matinee, where once a year we invite schools to join us for 2 class periods in the morning to enjoy a live storytelling show.

他们走进来时,有DJ在放音乐。

There's a DJ playing when they walk in.

灯光调得很暗。

The lights are low.

还有免费的周边商品。

There's free merch.

即将分享他故事的Andrew是那次活动的主持人。

Andrew, who is about to share his story, was the host of the event.

这是Andrew在Moss教育主舞台日场现场的表演。

Here's Andrew live at the Moss Education Mainstage Matinee.
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我高中时发现,我的成绩单从来不能真正代表我是谁。

I realized in high school my report card never really matched who I was.

就像,成绩单上的评语从来不符合真实的我。

Like, the comments on my report card never matched who I was.

就好像是,上课话太多。

It was like, talks too much in class.

我就说,是啊,我正跟我兄弟聊为什么鸣人是最棒的忍者。

I was like, yeah, I was just telling my boy on why Naruto is the best ninja.

有能力做得更好。

Has the ability to do better.

我说,是啊,但你赶上我状态不好的时候了。

I'm like, yeah, but you caught me on a bad day.

真的。

Truly.

需要改进工作态度才能发挥全部潜力?

Needs to improve their work ethic to reach their full potential?
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不。

Nah.
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好吧,也许——好吧,也许那些评价有点——是对的。

Okay, maybe— okay, maybe the comments were a little— were right.

十一年级规划高三课程的时候,我跟指导顾问说,嘿,我随便都行,我无所谓学校了。

And when I was planning my senior year schedule in 11th grade, I told my guidance counselor, hey, I'll do whatever, I'm over school.

她就说,你得上六点四十五的课。

And she's like, you need to take a 6:45 class.

一门社会学课。

A sociology class.

你能上吗?

Can you do it?

我说,当然能上啊。

I was like, of course I can do it.

她说,呃,你确定?

She said, uh, are you sure?

我说,是的是的是的。

I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

老师是谁?

Who's the teacher?

她说,是 Bonavita 先生。

And she said, it's Mr. Bonavita.

我说,那个主任?

I said, the dean?

她说,对。

She said, yeah.

我说,就是那个因为违反校规就把别人帽子摘掉的人?

I said, the guy who takes people's hats off their head 'cause it's against school policy?

她说,对,就是他。

She said, yeah, that's the one.

我说,那个一年到头都穿凉鞋和牛仔裤的人?

I was like, the guy who wears, uh, sandals and jeans all throughout the year?

那是我的老师?

That's my teacher?

我说,这门课肯定轻松。

I was like, this is gonna be a breeze.

我记得高三开学,六点四十五,我走进教室——是的,确实很早。

So I remember starting senior year, 6:45, I walk into class, and— Yes, it was early.

我进了教学楼,在教室里坐下,Bonavita 先生说,这门课会很有趣,但也会很难。

So I get into the building, I'm sitting down in class, and Mr. Bonavita's like, this class is gonna be fun, but it is going to be a hard class.

你得按时来上课才能及格。

You need to show up to class to pass.

我说,行,好,随便啦。

And I was like, all right, cool, whatever.

他说,大家看看周围,都看看周围。

And he said, look around, everybody look around.

我们看了看周围,他说,你们——在座的不见得每个人都能坚持到这个学期结束。

And we looked around, and he was like, you're— not everyone here is gonna make it to the end of this semester.

我当时就想,行吧。

And I was like, all right.

我们要死了吗?

We gonna die?

这儿发生什么事了?

What's happening here?

他说,没有,这门课六点四十五开始,没多少人能按时到。

He's like, no, this class starts at 6:45, and not a lot of people are going to make it.

你需要投入、努力和时间。

You need the commitment, the effort, the time.

我当时就说,好吧,随便啦,老兄,我懂你。

I was like, yeah, whatever, man, I got you.

然后接下来的两个星期,各位,我一次都没赶上那堂六点四十五的课。

And for the next 2 weeks, I did not make it to that 6:45 class, folks.

我天天迟到。

I was late every day.

就像我说的,他是系主任,所以我看到他走过的时候会躲在食堂里,然后他会说,哟,Andrew,你一米九,你是黑人,你躲不了。

And like I said, he was a dean, so I would like be hiding in the lunchroom when I'd see him walk by, and he'd be like, yo, Andrew, you're 6'4, you're black, you can't hide.

你干嘛想躲我?

Why are you trying to hide from me?

他把我叫过去,说,嘿,你要是不来上课,这课你就挂了。

And he called me over and he said, hey, you're going to fail this class if you don't show up to class.

你得来上这门课。

You need to show up to this class.

我当时就想,啊,随便吧。

And I was like, ah, whatever.

所以第二天,我迟到了大概十五分钟,但我去上课了。

So the next day, I was like 15 minutes late, but I showed up to class.

我进了教室,他摆了两台唱盘机在那儿。

I got into class, and he had these turntables set up.

我当时就说,哟,这儿搞什么?

And I was like, yo, what's going on here?

我以为这是一门社会学课。

I thought this was a sociology class.

我就去坐下,问了我一个朋友,我说,哟,他在干嘛?

And I go sit down, and I ask one of my friends, I was like, yo, what's he doing?

他说,哟,他是个DJ。

And he's like, yo, he's a DJ.

我当时想,靠,他还是老师?

I was like, damn, he's a teacher?

还是DJ?

And a DJ?

我就想,靠,教育局真不给人发钱啊。

I was like, damn, the DOE's not paying anybody money.

然后他跟我们说,历史不一定会重演,但常常会押韵。

And he proceeded to tell us that history doesn't always repeat itself, but it does often rhyme.

接着他把《Single Ladies》混进了Jackson 5的《I Want You Back》。

And then he mixed Single Ladies into Jackson 5, I Want You Back.

那一下我真的懵了。

And it blew my mind for a bit.

我就想,什么?

I was like, what?

他跟我们解释说,哟,这就是——这就是历史——它押韵,它带这些节奏,我要用我的工作来给你们讲明白。

And he explained to us, like, yo, this is— this is what history— it rhymes, and it does these beats, and I'm going to explain it with my job.

我不教书的时候是个DJ。

I'm a DJ when I don't teach.

那真的让我大开眼界。

And it literally blew my mind.

我当时就说,哟,这真的太牛了。

I was like, yo, this is actually insane.

从那以后,我就迷上了这门课。

And from that, I was hooked on class.

而且我一天都没翘过。

And I never missed a day.

我是说,有时候我会迟到一点,但你知道吗,他教我们——我们用Dave Chappelle的Clayton Bigsby来讨论种族主义。

I mean, some days I'd be a little late, but, you know, he taught us— we used Dave Chappelle's Clayton Bigsby to talk about racism.

我们用The Whitest Kids You Know来讲亚伯拉罕·林肯,讲他的所有历史,他的一生。

We did The Whitest Kids You Know to talk about Abraham Lincoln, and all his history, and all his life.

学年结束的时候,我居然进了他的历史编纂课,我们还能去华盛顿特区。

At the end of the year, I actually got into his historiography class, and we got to go to DC.

我们有机会跟一位参议员聊天,他是民权活动家,John Lewis。

And we got to talk to one of the senators, a civil rights activist, John Lewis.

他告诉我们,你得去惹那种对的麻烦。

And he told us, you've got to get into the right trouble.

我当时就想,哇,这也太棒了。

And I was like, yo, this is amazing.

然后在学年末,我说,嘿,Bonavita老师,我想当DJ。

And at the end of the year, I said, Hey, Mr. Bonavita, I would love to be a DJ.

你能雇我吗?

Would you hire me?

他说,不行。

And he said, no.

你太懒了,你上课老是不来,我可不敢把这事儿交给你。

You lazy, you don't really come to class a lot, I'm not gonna trust you with that.

要是我真给你了,DJ这活儿是个礼物。

If I did, DJing is a gift.

我要给你的是一份礼物,我不想让你觉得这是理所当然的,因为这礼物能带你去任何地方。

What I'm gonna give you is a gift, and I don't want you to take it for granted, 'cause this gift can take you anywhere.

我就说,好吧,兄弟。

And I was like, all right, man.

于是我回到家,把课堂上学的所有东西都想了想,我就想,你知道吗,我干脆写封信得了。

So I went home, and I thought about all the stuff we learned in class, I thought about I was like, you know what, let me just write a letter.

我想,政府里不就这么干吗,对吧?

I was like, that's what they do in government, right?

出事儿了,你就给国会写信,让他们去处理。

When something's bad, you just write a letter to Congress, do something.

所以我给他写了封信,塞进他信箱里了,他也没跟我说什么。

So I wrote him a letter, put it in his mailbox, and he didn't say anything to me.

然后在我们要毕业的前几天,他说,嘿,我打算收你了,你去,你就当个小实习生,咱们边走边看。

And like a couple days before, you know, we got to graduate, he says, hey, I'm gonna take you on, and you're going to, you know, I'm gonna give you a little internship and figure it out.

现在已经15年了,我现在就是DJ。

And it's been 15 years, and I'm a DJ now.

我还是个主任,嗯,我真的非常感谢Bonavita老师给我的这份礼物。

I'm a dean, um, and I'm really thankful for the gift that Mr. Bonavita gave me.
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Andrew McGill是一位高中英语老师、脱口秀演员,也是讲故事的人,土生土长在纽约布鲁克林。

Andrew McGill is a high school English teacher, stand-up comic, and storyteller born and raised in Brooklyn, New York.

Andrew当DJ已经超过15年了,现在每周还跟B老师一起工作。

Andrew's been DJing for over 15 years and still works with Mr. B every week.

他还在享受、还在放那个混音。他教过一堆孩子那个混音,但从来没有像跟B老师一起时那么好。

He still enjoys and plays that mix. He's taught a bunch of kids that mix, but it is never as good as it was with Mr. B.
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最好的演讲都是为世界各地的Moth演出打磨出来的。

The best pitches are developed for Moth shows all around the world.
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那是1970年代的加州斯托克顿,一个保守的郊区小镇,以前是个农业圣地。

It was Stockton, California in the 1970s, a conservative suburban town that used to be an agricultural mecca.

Leonard Ronnie是个三年级就穿粉色纽扣牛津衫去上课的孩子,他老被无情地嘲笑。

Leonard Ronnie was a kid who wore pink button-up Oxfords to class in 3rd grade, and he was teased relentlessly.

他性格温和又善良,这更让情况雪上加霜。

It really didn't help that he was gentle and kind.

有一天课后,我的三年级老师Bumpus太太,给班上的所有男生发了蓝色传单,宣传少年棒球联盟的选拔。

After class one day, my 3rd grade teacher, Mrs. Bumpus, handed out blue flyers announcing Little League tryouts to all the boys in our class.

所以下课后我走到她桌前,问她能不能拿一张传单。

So I went up to her desk after class and I asked if I could have a flyer.

我的意思是,她非常坚决地说不行,那些只给男孩子。

I mean, she very firmly said no, they were just for boys.

我继续追问,她就说已经没有多余的传单了,让我回家。

And when I pressed her, she told me she didn't have any more flyers and I should go home.

那些多余的蓝色传单,我明明看到她放回了抽屉。

The extra blue flyers I saw her put back in her desk.

反正,我立刻想哪个男孩可能不想要他的传单,然后我想到了 Leonard Ronnie。

Anyways, I immediately tried to think of a boy who might not want his flyer, and I remembered Leonard Ronnie.

我跑过去追上他,跟他要他的传单,他就给了我。

I ran to catch up to him and I asked for his flyer, and he gave it to me.

虽然我根本不会打,那个凉爽的周六早上我还是去参加了选拔。

Even though I didn't know how to play, I went to the tryouts one cool Saturday morning.

我站在深深的草丛里,和几十个八九岁的男孩一起等着试训。

And stood in the deep grass with dozens and dozens of 8- and 9-year-old boys waiting to try out.

那些男教练们拿着写字板站在那儿看我们,我们排成一队跑了一个又一个训练项目。

The male coaches stood watching us with their clipboards, and we lined up to run drill after drill.

虽然我磕磕绊绊、根本不会打,但那是我人生中最棒的一天。

Even though I fumbled along, I didn't know how to play, it was the best day of my life.

一周后,我接到新教练 Larry Sprague 的电话,得到了第一次训练的安排。

A week later, I got a call from my new coach, Larry Sprague, and I got instructions for our first practice.

原来我很擅长棒球,后来成了我们联赛里最好的球员之一。

It turns out I was good at baseball, and I became one of the best players in our league.

我打出了第一个越过围栏的球,最后一年还被整个联赛提名,进了全明星队。

I hit the first ball over the fence, and I was nominated by the entire league to our All-Star team in my last year.

那些年充满了嘲笑、骚扰和屈辱,因为我是我们联赛里唯一打球的女孩子,但我就是不在乎。

Those years were full of teasing and harassment and indignities around being the only girl who ever played in our league, but I just didn't care.

每一场训练,每一次练习,在 Central Valley 的烈日下待那么久,我都觉得不够。

Every bit of practice, drilling, hours in the hot Central Valley sun, I just couldn't get enough.

但没有 Ronnie 先生,这一切都不可能发生。

But none of it would've been possible without Mr. Ronnie.

我希望有一天他能听到这个故事,然后联系我,好让我亲自谢谢他。

I hope he hears this story one day and he reaches out so I can thank him myself.

那张皱巴巴的蓝色传单,塞在他书包最底下,对我来说就像 Willy Wonka 的金色门票。

That crunched-up blue flyer stuffed at the bottom of his book bag was like Willy Wonka's golden ticket to me.

那是一根救命稻草。

It was a lifeline.

没有 Leonard Ronnie,我就会错过我人生中第一个真正的爱——棒球。

Without Leonard Ronnie, I would've missed the first true love of my life— baseball.
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又一个投球来了。

Here comes another pitch.
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2004 年大学毕业时,我爸给我的毕业礼物,是一次由我挑选目的地的父女旅行,全世界任选。

When I graduated from college in 2004, my dad's graduation gift was a dad-daughter trip of my choice anywhere in the world.

我选了雅典,但像往常一样,他还是照自己的意思来,订了一个去阿根廷的十天钓鱼之旅。

I chose Athens, but as usual, he did what he wanted, booked us a 10-day fishing trip in Argentina instead.

我爸是个热爱户外的共和党人,是 NRA 的正式会员;而我呢,是个喜欢宅家的酷儿,是 ACLU 的正式会员。

My dad is an outdoorsy Republican card-carrying member of the NRA, whereas I'm an indoorsy queer card-carrying member of the ACLU.

我想起之前的父女旅行,总是默默拖着鹿角上山,还要默默忍受他那些关于打猎和钓鱼技巧的生硬说教,心里就一沉。

My stomach sank as I remembered other dad-daughter trips hauling antlers up mountains in silence, silently suffering through his heavy-handed lessons about hunting and fishing techniques.

一个月后,我们已经在阿根廷的一条小溪边了,我爸冲我吼叫,批评我那可怜巴巴的抛竿动作,我躲在大阳镜后面哭。

A month later, we're in a creek in Argentina, and I'm crying behind my sunglasses as my dad yells at me, critiquing my pathetic cast.

然后他忽然说:你知道谁特别擅长这个吗?

And then out of nowhere, he says, you know who was really good at that?

你爷爷。

Your grandpa.

我想起我十岁时唯一一次见到我爸哭的回忆。那时爷爷去世了,牧师请大家分享对逝者的回忆,好写悼词。

I flash to my only memory of my dad crying when I was 10 years old. My grandpa had died, and the pastor asked for memories for the eulogy.

我爸说:“我爸教我飞钓。”然后他就崩溃大哭。

And my dad said, "My dad taught me to fly fish," and he broke down and sobbed.

然后,我爸爸哭泣的这两个画面,和现在在小溪里的这段记忆交织在一起,我突然明白了我的爸爸。

And these two images of my dad crying and this memory of now in the creek fused together, and I realized my dad.

我爸爸不只是想送我去雅典旅行。

My dad doesn't just want to give me a trip to Athens.

他想把他的家族传统留给我。

He wants to give me his family legacy.

那天我并没有爱上飞钓,我爸爸也还是不懂我,但我懂了他。

And I don't fall in love with fly fishing that day, and my dad still doesn't understand me, but I understand him.
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这就是本期《The Moth Radio Hour》的全部内容。

That's it for this episode of The Moth Radio Hour.

希望你们下次还能加入我们,这就是《The Moth》的故事。

We hope you'll join us next time, and that's the story from The Moth.
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本期《The Moth Radio Hour》由Peter Aguero主持,由我Jay Allison和Jodi Powell制作,Jodi也是节目中故事的导演。

This episode of The Moth Radio Hour was hosted by Peter Aguero and produced by me, Jay Allison, and Jodi Powell, who also directed the stories in the show.

联合制作人是Vicki Merrick。

Co-producer is Vicki Merrick.

助理制作人是Emily Couch。

Associate producer Emily Couch.

这些故事由Melissa Brown、Jonathan Cabral、Melody Konze和Julian Goldhagen指导。

The stories were coached by Melissa Brown, Jonathan Cabral, Melody Konze, and Julian Goldhagen.

教育项目指导由Hannah Allen、Amy Blumberg、Zoe Laiz、Ingrid Romero、Dalila Saleh、Daria Sharp和Mio Tubridi负责。

Education program instruction by Hannah Allen, Amy Blumberg, Zoe Laiz, Ingrid Romero, Dalila Saleh, Daria Sharp, and Mio Tubridi.

The Moth的领导团队包括Gina Duncan、Marina Cluce、Sarah Austin Janes、Jennifer Hickson、George Jordan Cardinale、Caledonia Cairns、Kate Teller、Suzanne Rust、Sarah-Jane Johnson和Patricia Yarenia。

The Moth's leadership team includes Gina Duncan, Marina Cluce, Sarah Austin Janes, Jennifer Hickson, George Jordan Cardinale, Caledonia Cairns, Kate Teller, Suzanne Rust, Sarah-Jane Johnson, and Patricia Yarenia.

特别感谢Unlikely Collaborators对The Moth教育项目的支持,以及Anna Stern在本期节目中的帮助。

Special thanks to Unlikely Collaborators for their support of the Moth Education Program, and to Anna Stern for her help on this episode.

我们的投稿来自旧金山的Brandy Bernazzani和纽约布鲁克林的Frances Southwick Davis。

Our pitches are from Brandy Bernazzani in San Francisco and Frances Southwick Davis in Brooklyn, New York.

Moth故事:所有故事均经讲述者回忆并确认为真实。

Moth Stories: All stories are true as remembered and affirmed by the storytellers.

我们的主题音乐来自The Drift。

Our theme music is by The Drift.

本小时的其它音乐来自Epidemic Sound、Stellwagen Symphoniette和Blue Dot Sessions。

Other music in this hour is from Epidemic Sound, Stellwagen Symphoniette, and Blue Dot Sessions.

播客音乐制作支持来自Davy Sumner。

Podcast music production support from Davy Sumner.

《The Moth Radio Hour》由马萨诸塞州伍兹霍尔的Atlantic Public Media制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

特别感谢我们在Audacy的朋友,包括执行制作人Leah Reis-Dennis。

Special thanks to our friends at Audacy, including Executive Producer Leah Reis-Dennis.

想了解更多关于我们的播客、想向我们投稿自己的故事、或者想全面了解The Moth,请访问我们的网站themoth.org。

For more about our podcast, for information on pitching us your own story, and to learn all about The Moth, go to our website, themoth.org.
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