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2005年股东大会 · 巴菲特:如果市场不够疯狂,那我就不买也不卖股票

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M1
M10:00

下午好,Buffett 先生,Munger 先生。

Good afternoon, Mr. Buffett, Mr. Munger.

非常感谢你们的智慧,还有你们所有的投资建议。

Thank you very much for your wisdom and all your investment advice.

我叫 Adrian Cheung,来自 Hong Kong。

I'm Adrian Cheung, and I'm from Hong Kong.

以前在 Hong Kong,如果有人满了一百岁,就能去 Buckingham Palace 跟女王一起喝茶。

Back in the old days in Hong Kong, when somebody turned 100, they got to have tea at Buckingham Palace with the Queen.

我不知道你们美国这边是什么待遇,不过我希望到二零三零年,我们能再回来,看你在 White House 做五十个俯卧撑。

I don't know what you have here in America, but I hope that in 2030 we come back to watch you do 50 push-ups at the White House.
M2
M20:25

这可不是下注的方式。

It's not the way to bet.
M3
M30:26

十个你能接受吗?

Will you settle for 10?
M1
M10:31

我的问题分两部分。

My question comes in 2 parts.

第一,一九六八到一九六九年,你清盘了你所有的 partnerships,我猜除了你在 Berkshire Hathaway 的持股之外,你是彻底退出市场,而且一直都没再进去。

Firstly, in 1968-69, you liquidated all your partnerships, and I guess aside from your holdings in Berkshire Hathaway, you got completely out of the market and stayed out.

到二零零零到二零零一年,你跟我们提到过,接下来的十年,市场最好的情况也就是原地踏步。

In 2000-2001, you mentioned to us that in the coming decade, the markets would at best go nowhere.

不过,尽管手上有五百亿美元现金,你——也因此包括我们——仍然有相当大比例投资在市场里。

However, despite $50 billion in cash, you, and therefore us, remain substantially invested in the market.

所以我的第一个问题是,今天的投资环境和一九六八到一九六九年相比,到底有哪些不同,为什么这会让你能够安心继续大比例持有市场投资?

So my first question was, how and why is the investment climate different today than in 1968-69 that makes you comfortable remaining substantially invested?
M3
M31:10

对,嗯,我们确实持有一些 securities,这些东西按现在这个价格,我们——我们大概是不会买的。

Yeah, well, we do own certain securities which we wouldn't—we probably wouldn't buy at these prices.

有些我们会买,有些我们不会。

Some of them we would, some of them we wouldn't.

嗯,我们对自己持有的东西,并不是不满意。

Uh, we're not unhappy, uh, with anything we own.

嗯,只是我们也不太愿意再往里投更多钱,所以在其中一些 securities 上,我们处在这样一个区间:既不会买,也不会卖。

Uh, we're not happy with putting more money in, so we're in a zone, uh, in some of those securities where we wouldn't buy and we wouldn't sell.

这里面有一部分原因,跟我们交易的规模有关。

Now, part of it, that decision relates to the kind of quantities that we deal in.

我的意思是,如果我们持有的每只股票都只有一百股——你知道,我们现在持有的是价值很多十亿美元的股票——那进进出出的决定就会容易得多。

I mean, if we owned 100 shares of each one of the stocks that we own, you know, many billions of dollars' worth, uh, it would be an easier decision to go in and out.

但如果要对我们这些大仓位进进出出,我们会面临相当大的成本,包括税,除了税之外还有别的成本。

But we would face significant costs, including taxes, but on top of taxes, in trying to go in and out of the big positions we have.

而且基本上,我们喜欢这些企业,所以,嗯,我们并不觉得不满意。

And basically, we like the businesses, so, uh, we are not unhappy.

我们,我们,我们可能会觉得在这个位置不想再加仓了,但对于持有这些我们有大量 equity holdings 的企业,我们并不觉得不开心。

We, we, we may feel like we wouldn't want to buy more here, but we are not unhappy about being in the businesses in which we have big equity holdings.

不过,尽管如此,我们持有的 common stocks 在我们内在价值里的占比,比起我们历史上几乎任何时候都要低,只有少数几个时期例外——嗯,像一九六九年底我们清盘 partnership 的那个时候。

Now, notwithstanding all of that, a lower percentage of our intrinsic value is represented by the common stocks we own than just about at any time of our history, with the exception of a couple, uh, well, the period right there at the end of 1969 when we liquidated the partnership.

所以,不管是买入股票,还是持有股票,我们都没有借此传达任何强烈信号,说我们认为现在是一个特别适合持有股票的时候。

So we have not made any big statement by purchases of stocks or the ownership of stocks that in any way says that we think that this is a particularly attractive time to own them.

但是我们并不对 Coca-Cola 感到不满意。

But we are not unhappy with Coca-Cola.

我们并不对 American Express 感到不满意。

We are not unhappy with American Express.

我们也并不对——我们并不对 Wells Fargo 或者 Moody's 感到不满意。

We are not unhappy with—we're not unhappy with Wells Fargo or Moody's.

这些都是我们持有的非常非常好的企业。

Those are very, very good businesses that we own.

如果按今天这个价格,我们会买吗?你知道,嗯,答案是我们现在没有在买。

Would we be buying them at today's prices if we, you know, uh, well, the answer is we're not.

你知道,我们手上有钱,之后也许会再买一些。跟卖掉这类投资相比,我们以后更有可能是继续买一点。

You know, we've got money and we may buy more later on. We're more likely to buy more later on than to sell those sort of investments.

但是确实有这样一个区间,受规模和税务影响,我们既不会当买方,也不会当卖方。

But there is a zone which, because of size, because of taxes, where we would neither be a buyer nor a seller.

我们确实没看到很多有吸引力的股票,不过我们也不觉得现在市场里的荒唐劲儿,跟大概五年前比起来,还有那么严重,差得远了。

And we do not see lots of attractive stocks, but we also don't think that there's as much silliness in the market by far as there was, uh, five years ago, roughly.
M2
M23:38

Charlie?

Charlie?

对,Berkshire 最近有件挺有意思的事,就是如果你看我们最近在股市里做的四五笔操作,规模是好几千万美元——其实是几十亿美元——不过相对 Berkshire 的整体体量来说,还是小的,那我们的成绩很像以前一些最好年份里的表现。

Yeah, one of the things that's interesting about Berkshire lately is that if you take the last four or five things we did in the stock market with a goodly number of millions— but billions, really— but small in relation to Berkshire's overall size, our record is much like it used to be in some of the best days.

那时候我们能拿小规模资金灵活腾挪,结果是相当不错的。

Where we were able to move around with small amounts of money, the results were quite respectable.

但当我们面对的是那种因为太有钱而带来的问题时,我们就没法再保持过去那种灵活赚钱的纪录了。

But where we were facing the problems of being enormously rich, where we were, we were, we were prevented from the nimble money-making record of the past.

我不认为这会是一个永久性的状态。

I don't think that's a permanent state of affairs.

但它也永远不会彻底消失。

But it's never going away either.
M3
M34:33

这个你解释一下。

Explain that one.
M2
M24:35

我的意思是,我觉得我们最终还是可能把大笔资金投出去,而且拿到非常令人满意的回报率;而最近这段时间,我们投出去的是小笔资金,也拿到了非常令人满意的回报率。

Well, what I mean is that I think we may be able to deploy large amounts of money eventually at very satisfactory rates, whereas in recent times we have deployed small amounts of money at very satisfactory rates.

而且有小的,总比一点没有强。

And better small than nil.

而这个“小”,也还是几十亿美元。

And small is still billions.