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2004年股东大会 · 巴菲特与芒格如何评价菲利普费雪?

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M1
M10:00

Buffett先生,Munger先生,我是来自 Mississippi 州 Jackson 的 Tim Medley。

Mr. Buffett, Mr. Munger, I'm Tim Medley from Jackson, Mississippi.

最近,Philip Fisher 先生去世了。

Recently, Mr. Philip Fisher died.

很多年前在这场会议上,您,Buffett先生,提到过您很喜欢《The Intelligent Investor》的第八章和第二十章、《Security Analysis》的第一版,还有您说过,Phil Fisher 的前两本书。

At this meeting many years ago, you, Mr. Buffett, mentioned your fondness for chapters 8 and 20 of The Intelligent Investor, the first edition of Security Analysis, and you said, Phil Fisher's first 2 books.

还有您,Munger先生,也一直很赞赏 Fisher 先生的著作和投资方法。

And you, Mr. Munger, have also been complimentary to Mr. Fisher's writings and investment approach.

我想请问,你们两位能不能跟我们讲讲你们和 Fisher 先生的经历、你们是在什么情况下认识的,等等;还有,他的著作或者你们和他的讨论,是不是让你们开始思考“伟大企业”或者“franchise company”这种概念,还是说,这只是印证了你们原本就已经开始形成的一些想法?

I wonder if the two of you would tell us of your experiences with Mr. Fisher, the circumstances of your meeting, etc., and did his writings or your discussions with him start you thinking about the idea of the great business or the franchise company, or was it simply an affirmation of thoughts which you had already begun to have?

以及,关于 Fisher 先生,你们还有什么别的想说的吗?

And anything else you would like to say about Mr. Fisher?
M2
M21:02

对,Phil Fisher 是个了不起的人。

Yeah, Phil Fisher was a great man.

他大概是一个月前左右去世的,当时已经九十多岁了。

He died maybe a month ago or thereabouts, and well into his 90s.

他的第一本书,我记得是《Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits》,写于一九五八年。

His first book, I believe it was Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits, was written in 1958.

第二本书是几年之后写的。

And the second book was written a few years later.

那两本书都非常棒。

Those 2 books were terrific books.

而且就像 Ben Graham 一样,光读他的书,你基本上就能把精髓都领会到。

And as with Ben Graham, you could really get it all by reading the books.

我只见过 Phil Fisher 一次,不过那次很棒。

I met Phil Fisher just once, and it was great.

我很享受那次见面。

I enjoyed it.

我特别喜欢。

I loved it.

他对我很好。

He was nice to me.

但其实,这和我对 Ben Graham 的经历也很像,我给他工作过,也上过他的课,还有其他种种接触。

But similarly, actually, to my experiences with Ben Graham, where I worked for him, I took his classes and everything else.

真正重要的东西都在书里。

It was in the books.

我的意思是,他们都是非常出色的作者,而且思路非常清晰,所以你其实不需要亲自见到他们。

I mean, they were such good writers and their thoughts were so clear that you didn't need to meet them personally.

当然了,私下见到他们我也很开心,但他们确实已经用文字把东西讲透了。

I enjoyed meeting them personally, obviously, but they got it across in words.

而我唯一一次见 Phil,是在那本一九六二年的书之后的某个时候,或者不管是哪年,一九六一还是一九六二。

And the only time I met Phil was sometime after that 1962 book or whatever it was, '61 or '62.

当时我在 San Francisco。

And I was in San Francisco.

我想是在 Russ Building。

I think it was in the Russ Building.

不过这点我也可能记错了。

I may be wrong on that.

反正我就是,我就是直接去了。

And I just, I just went there.

我年轻的时候经常这么干。

I used to do that all the time when I was younger.

我会去 New York,然后直接上门拜访各种各样的人。

And I'd go to New York and I'd just drop in on all kinds of people.

我猜他们大概觉得,因为我是从 Omaha 来的,你知道,见我一次也就把我打发了。

And I guess they thought because I was from Omaha that, you know, one time and they'd be rid of me.

所以,我通常还真都能进去见到他们。

So, and I would usually get in to see them.

Phil 那次我也是这么做的。

And Phil, I did that with Phil.

而且他对我特别特别好。

And he was extraordinarily nice to me.

不过呢,我见到他以后倒也不是说又得到了什么新想法,因为这些东西我早就在他的书里读过了。

But it wasn't that I gained new ideas, though, however, by meeting him, because I'd already read it in his books.

还有 Charlie,其实——我是一九五九年认识 Charlie 的,Charlie 当时也在跟我讲 Fisher 那一套,只是表达方式稍微有点不一样,但他的想法跟 Phil 的是相通的。

And Charlie actually—I met Charlie in 1959, and Charlie was sort of preaching the Fisher doctrine also to me, in a little different form, but his ideas paralleled those of Phil.

所以等于我是从两边同时在吸收这个东西。

So I was sort of getting it from both sides.

这对我来说非常说得通。

It made a lot of sense to me.

我不太清楚 Charlie 跟 Phil 打交道是什么样的经历。

I don't know what Charlie's experiences were with Phil.
M3
M33:09

嗯,只要一个我本来就欣赏的人也同意我的看法,我总是会很开心,所以我对 Phil Fisher 一直有非常美好的回忆。

Well, I always like it when somebody who's attractive to me agrees with me, and therefore I've got very fond memories of Phil Fisher.

那个基本思路就是,好的股票很难找,好的投资也很难找;既然你就该待在好的投资里,那你就应该只找少数几个你非常了解的标的,然后把精力集中在那些上面。在我看来,这显然是个特别好的主意,而事实也证明,这的确就是个显而易见的好主意;可投资界里有百分之九十八的人并不这么做。

The basic idea that it was hard to find good stocks and it was hard to find good investments, and that you wanted to be in good investments, and therefore you'd just find a few of them that you knew a lot about and concentrate on those seemed to me such an obviously good idea, and indeed it's proved to be an obviously good idea, yet 98% of the investing world doesn't follow it.

这对我们很有好处。

That's been good for us.

对你们也有好处。

It's been good for you.
M2
M23:56

好,我们来看第六个问题。

We'll go to number 6, please.