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2009年股东大会 · 缺乏金融常识的的人太多,所以你一定有机会致富

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F1
F10:00

我叫 Scott Slaby。

My name is Scott Slaby.

我来自 Colorado 的 Denver。

I'm from Denver, Colorado.

首先,我想感谢 Buffett 先生和 Munger 先生今天邀请我们来这儿。

First off, I'd like to thank Mr. Buffett and Mr. Munger for having us out here today.

也很感谢你们把我们请到这儿来,真的非常感谢。

I appreciate you bringing us out here, so thank you very much.
M1
M10:11

也谢谢你。

And thank you.
F1
F10:11

你们愿意回答我们的问题,这太好了。

It's great that you asked—answer our questions.

我以前是老师,哦不,我现在也是老师,我不该说以前。

I'm a former teacher, or I'm a teacher, I shouldn't say former.

您自己也当过老师,我觉得我们未来几代人在金融素养这方面有个问题。

Being a former teacher yourself, I see a problem with financial literacy with our future generations.

所以我很好奇,您觉得未来几代人应该懂些什么,还有随着时代往前走,学校课程里是不是应该加入一些内容,去教年轻人——更年轻的人——金融素养。

And I'm curious what you think future generations should know and if there's anything that needs to be in school curriculums to teach young—younger people financial literacy as we move forward.
M1
M10:40

对,我觉得我们当下这一代人的金融素养就有问题。

Yeah, I think there's a problem with financial literacy with our current generation.

不过呢,Andy Heyward——他之前帮我们做过那个 cartoon——他有一家,嗯,将会有一家新公司,他去年把原来的公司卖掉了,不过他现在有一家新公司,而且他会推出一个项目,专门讨论你这个问题,我在里面只参与了很小一部分。

But then, uh, there's Andy Heyward, who has helped us with the cartoon, has a—will have a—he sold his company last year, but he has a new company, and he will have a program coming out that works on that question and that I play a very small part in.

ABC 也要推出一个节目,里面会有不少知名人物,内容就是讨论金融素养这个问题。

ABC has a program coming up with a number of well-known personalities in it that will deal with the question of financial literacy.

这个嘛,你知道,在一个到处都是 credit card 的世界里,在一个依赖 calculator、而不是人们坐下来自己做实际算术的世界里,要去教会大家这些东西,确实很难推。

And it's, uh, you know, it is a tough, uh, a tough sell in a world of, of credit cards and, and, and, uh, you know, uh, uh, a world that depends on, on calculators rather than people, uh, sitting down and doing actual arithmetic and all of that to, uh, to teach people.

不过到头来,我觉得随着时间过去,我们还是会有进步的。

But in the end, I think we make progress over time.

我是说,我希望我们的年报也能在这方面起点作用。

I mean, I, I hope our annual reports contribute to that sort of thing.

不过,总还是会有人在钱这件事上干出非常愚蠢的事。

But you're going to have people doing very foolish things with money.

我记得我度蜜月的时候,我二十一岁,我太太十九岁,我们一路往西开车。

I remember on my honeymoon, I was 21 and my wife was 19, and we drove west.

我以前从没去过 Las Vegas。

I'd never been to Las Vegas.

那是一九五二年,我们在 Flamingo 停了下来。

It was 1952, and we stopped at the Flamingo.

那时候赌场里的人穿得比现在讲究,而且当时还有一帮 Omaha 来的人,实际上拥有 Flamingo 的一部分。

And people were better dressed in the casinos then, and there were a bunch of Omaha fellows that actually owned part of the Flamingo at that time.

他们对我们特别好。

Terribly nice to us.

但我环顾那个赌场,看到各种穿着体面的人,千里迢迢跑来,就是为了做一件非常愚蠢的事。

But I looked around at that casino and I saw all kinds of well-dressed people who had traveled thousands of miles to do something very dumb.

我当时就想,这真是一个你会变得非常有钱的国家。

And I thought, this is a country where you're going to get very rich.

如果人们愿意在 New York 坐上飞机,飞上几千英里,就为了站在那儿做一些事,而且他们每做一个动作,数学期望都是负的——那这就是一个充满机会的世界。

If people are going to get on a plane in New York and fly a couple thousand miles to stand there and do things with a mathematical expectation that's negative on every action they take, that is—it's a world of opportunity.

所以我,嗯,你知道,我建议你,还有,嗯,你继续和你的学生一起努力。

So I, uh, you know, I, I recommend that you and, you know, you work with your students.

我二十一岁的时候,就开始在 University of Omaha 教书了。

I started teaching at the University of Omaha, you know, when I was 21.

你去帮助你的学生,让他们具备这方面的素养,那他们就会拥有非常大的优势。

And you work with your students to make them literate, and they will have a, a terrific advantage.

Charlie?

Charlie?
M2
M23:01

嗯,在这个世界里,现在很多州都把合法赌博做成了 lottery 的形式,人们被鼓励去做胜算不利的下注;再加上我们还在大规模过度使用高成本的 credit card 债务,这个世界确实太需要更多金融素养了。

Well, a world where legalized gambling is now conducted by a great many states in the form of lotteries, where people are encouraged to bet against the odds, and a world where we have a vast overuse of high-cost credit card debt, it needs a lot more financial literacy.

我甚至会说,是更需要基本素养。

I would argue literacy.

我觉得我们一直走错方向了。

I think we've been going in the wrong direction.

所以我不认为,你能把 high finance 教给那些连信用卡都不会聪明使用的人。

So I don't think you can teach people high finance who can't use a credit card intelligently.
M1
M13:44

对,如果,如果你——我会跟学生讲这个。

Yeah, if, if you're— I talk to students about that.

如果你愿意为信用卡付百分之十八或者百分之二十一的利息——顺便说一下,信用卡公司现在其实也需要这个,因为你的坏账损失接近百分之十,所以再加上各种费用,他们可能确实需要这么高——但是你用这种利率去借钱,在财务上是绝不可能有好结果的。

If you're willing to pay 18% or 21% on a credit card, and the credit card companies need it incidentally currently because you have, you have losses running close to 10%, so with expenses they may need that, but there's no way that you're going to financially come out borrowing money at those kind of rates.

而且,而且我也不知道要怎么做到。

And, and I wouldn't know how to do it.

而且,呃,你知道,这,这挺可惜的。

And, uh, you know, it's, it's too bad.

但另一方面,这大概,这大概对我们的业务有好处。

On the other hand, it's probably, it's probably good for our business.

我的意思是,那个,呃,我们就是在找那些被错误定价的东西。

I mean, that, uh, one of, you know, we are looking for things that are mispriced.

而且,而且越多人觉得用信用卡借钱是聪明的做法,他们大概就越不会觉得做长期 equity put contracts 是聪明的。

And, and the more people think that borrowing money on credit cards is intelligent, they probably will not think that doing long-term equity put contracts is intelligent.

那我们走我们的路,他们走他们的路。

Then we'll go our way and they'll go their way.
F1
F14:33

Becky?

Becky?