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All Dressed Up: The Moth Radio Hour

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这里是 The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是 Chloé Salmon,The Moth 的导演之一。

I'm Chloé Salmon, one of the directors at The Moth.

如果你是第一次收听,很高兴认识你。

If you're tuning in for the first time, I'm pleased to meet you.

如果你以前来过,欢迎回来。

If you've been here before, welcome back.

这一小时里,我们要听一些关于衣服的故事。

In this hour, stories of clothes.

对我来说,完美的穿搭就像一首完美的歌。

To me, the perfect outfit is like the perfect song.

它和当下紧紧相连,还能表达出一些光靠语言有时候说不尽的东西。

Wedded to the moment and capable of expressing something that words alone sometimes can't quite match.

我妈妈是个很有天赋的裁缝,她表达爱的很多方式之一,就是在我小时候给我缝了数不清的裙子。

My mom is a talented seamstress, and one of the many ways she showed her love was by sewing me an endless supply of dresses when I was a kid.

我最喜欢的一条,是一件飘逸的细肩带裙子,用的是那种美得不得了的全息粉色面料。

My favorite was a swingy spaghetti strap number made of the most divine holographic pink material.

我很爱它,但又不好意思穿出门,因为它感觉像是那种要有特别场合才穿的裙子。

I loved it, but was self-conscious about wearing it outside of the house because it felt like an occasion kind of dress.

而我一个八岁小孩,其实也没多少这样的场合。

And I didn't often have one of those as an 8-year-old.

所以最后,我只是偶尔才穿一次,没过多久就穿不下了。

So instead, I'd only wear it every once in a while, and soon I outgrew it.

最近我回 Kansas 的家,特意翻了家里的相册,想带几张照片回去。就在那时,我又想起了那条裙子,因为有一张我妈妈二十多岁时的照片吸引了我的目光。

I was reminded of the dress on a recent trip home to Kansas when I made a point of raiding the family photo albums to take some pictures back with me, and one of my mom in her 20s caught my eye.

照片里,她穿着一套黑色缎面 tuxedo,配着亮粉色的腰封和领结,头发用一个黑色丝绒蝴蝶结往后束着。

In it, she's wearing a black satin tuxedo with a hot pink cummerbund and bow tie and a black velvet bow sweeping back her hair.

她这身打扮是为了什么活动呢?

The event for this ensemble?

就是和朋友们去附近那家有点脏脏旧旧的 pub 玩一个晚上。

A night out with her friends at their grungy neighborhood pub.

她看起来棒极了,笑得特别灿烂。

She looked amazing, and her smile was a mile wide.

原来,如果你自己就是那个场合,就没必要等什么场合才盛装打扮。

Turns out, there's no need to wait and dress for an occasion if you are the occasion.

现在回头看,我真希望当时能学学我妈妈那股劲儿,每天都穿那条美得不得了的粉色裙子,因为每次我一穿上它,就觉得自己像个明星。

Looking back, I wish I had channeled my mom's energy and worn that divine pink dress every day, because when I put it on, I felt like a star.

这一小时里,我们要听关于我们所穿的衣服,以及它们创造出的那些时刻的故事。

In this hour, stories of the clothes we wear and the moments they make.

我们的第一个故事,讲的是一个经典的童年难题:怎么选出完美的 Halloween costume。

Our first story involves a classic childhood dilemma: choosing the perfect Halloween costume.

Horace H.B.

Horace H.B.

Sanders 在 Detroit 的一场 GrandSLAM 上讲了这个故事,在那里我们和公共广播电台 WDET 合作。

Sanders told it at a GrandSLAM in Detroit, where we partner with public radio station WDET.

下面请听 Horace 在 The Moth 的现场讲述。

Here's Horace, live at The Moth.
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谢谢。

Thank you.

我十二岁那年,受邀去参加一个派对。

I was 12 years old, and I got invited to a party.

这可是一件大事,因为那是在十月,而且是一个叫 Tracy 的小姑娘办的。

This was a big deal because it was in October, and it was this young lady, Tracy.

Tracy 很重要,因为我当时在我们社区的教堂做礼拜,而她是风琴手 Matthews 修女的侄女。

Now Tracy is a big deal because I was going to church in my neighborhood, and she was the niece of the organist, Sister Matthews.

所以 Matthews 修女大概一周会带 Tracy 来两次。

So she would bring Tracy with her maybe twice a week.

这对我来说可不得了,因为她大概比我大三岁。

And this was a big deal for me because she was about 3 years older than me.

她真的很漂亮,对十二岁的我来说,简直太好看了。

She was really pretty, fine to me at 12.

不过我能让她觉得我挺厉害,因为她一周只来两次,一个月也就见我两回,所以我可以每隔一个星期天去教堂,就穿我仅有的那套西装,她就以为我有一大堆呢。

But I could impress her because by her only coming twice a week, only seeing me two times out the month, I could wear that one suit I had every other Sunday at church, and she figured I had a bunch of them.

所以 Tracy 十月中旬左右要办生日派对,她打算弄成一个 costume party。

So Tracy is having this birthday party right around in the middle of October, so she's gonna make it a costume party.

我的表兄弟姐妹也都去教堂,他们就说,嘿,我们都要去。因为我是在 East Side 长大的,她住在远远的 West Side,那时候这对我来说可是件大事。

So all of my cousins go to church too, and they're like, hey, we're all gonna go, because I grew up on the East Side, she's way on the West Side, which is a big deal to me back then.

我爸妈不怎么去 West Side,所以,嘿,对我来说那感觉就像出城了一样。

My parents didn't do a lot of traveling on the West Side, so—hey, it seemed like out of town to me.

我们上了九十四号公路,路牌上写着 Chicago West。

We got on 94 and it said Chicago West.

我还以为 Chicago 是在河的那一边呢。

I thought Chicago was over that side of the river.

我心想,我们到底什么时候才会去 Chicago 啊?

Like, when are we ever gonna go to Chicago?

结果就在那边。

It's right over there.

我当时人在 Detroit。

I was in Detroit.

所以她要办这个派对,对吧?

So she's having this party, right?

然后我发现这是个 costume party。

So I find out it's a costume party.

我就去跟我的表兄弟姐妹聊天。

I'm talking to my cousins.

我是他们里面最小的。

I'm the youngest of them.

我就说,嘿,你们去吗?

I'm like, hey, y'all going?

你们会弄 costume 吗?

Y'all gonna get a costume?

他们说,会啊,我们要打扮起来。

They like, yeah, we gonna dress up.

我说,你们真的要去啊?

I'm like, y'all going for real?

所以我特别兴奋。

So I'm excited.

我在脑子里越想越激动,我就想,我可不能只是买一套 costume,因为在这之前每一年,我都只是扮 Dracula。

I'm building this up in my head, and I'm like, I'm not just gonna buy a costume because every year before this, I was only Dracula.

我会扮 Dracula,弄那个小小的美人尖,其实我本来就有。

I would be Dracula, get the little widow's peak, which I already had.

我妈妈会把它画得更明显一点。

My mama would emphasize it.

我会戴上那种假牙,再拿一条黑毛巾当披风。

I'd get some of those fake teeth and a black towel as a cape.

再穿一件衬衫。

And a dress shirt.

其实挺寒酸的,不过,我九岁、十岁、十一岁的时候,那还挺酷的。

It was pretty raggedy, but—it was sweet when I was 9, 10, 11.

但到了十二岁,我心里已经认准了一件事。

But 12, I had my own eyes set on one thing.

我要当 ninja。

I was gonna be a ninja.

所以我跟我妈说,我说,听着,咱们去看看 ninja costume 吧。

So I told my mom, I was like, look, let's check out ninja costumes.

她说,孩子,我们可没钱买什么 ninja costume。

She's like, boy, we ain't got no money for no ninja costume.

我说,什么意思啊?

I was like, what you mean?

拜托,妈,这可是大事。

Come on, Mom, it's a big deal.

这是个派对啊。

It's a party.

我可没钱买什么忍者服。

I ain't got no money for no ninja costume.

我妈就有那种本事,让你觉得钱还分好多种。

My mama had one of them things where she made you think it was different kinds of money.

她就说,你有买忍者服的钱吗?

She's like, you got some ninja costume money?

我就说,什么叫买忍者服的钱?

I'm like, what is ninja costume money?

我现在想起来都觉得好笑。

It's funny to me.
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好吧。

Okay.
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所以我就想,我可以自己来——我爸呢,他有自己的生意。

So I'm like, I could do— my daddy, he had his own business.

从我出生的时候起,他就自己创业了。

He started his own business from the time I was born.

他有自己的生意。

He had his own business.

我就说,好吧。

I was like, well, fine.

你不给我买是吧?

You won't buy me one?

那我自己做。

I'll make one.

我就想,我自己做一套忍者服。

I was like, I'll make my own ninja costume.

当然,我没法在网上订,因为那时候根本没有这些东西。

Now, I couldn't order it online, 'cause it wasn't none of that back in the day.

我那会儿十二岁。

I was 12.

所以我就想,那我退而求其次。

So I was like, I'll do the next best thing.

我去问我外婆,我们都叫她 Nanny,她大概比我们认识的所有人都老三十岁。

I talked to my grandma, who we all called Nanny, who was, like, 30 years older than everybody we knew.

不管你多大,她都比你老三十岁。

No matter what your age was, she was 30 years older.

所以我就说,Nanny,我能怎么办?

So I was like, Nanny, what can I do?

她说,宝贝,你可以买这种染料,把你手头有的东西染一下。

She's like, Baby, you can get this dye and dye whatever you got.

所以我有一套白色睡衣,很普通的睡衣。

So I had this white pajama set, plain pajama set.

上面好像是 Scooby-Doo 还是什么图案。

It was, like, Scooby-Doo or something.
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所以——

So—
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白睡衣,这儿有棕色、蓝色的 Scooby-Doo。

White pajamas with brown, blue Scooby-Doo right here.

上面唯一是黑色的地方,就是这儿的袖口、腰这儿,还有脚踝。

Only thing black on it was the wrists right here, the waist, and the ankles.

所以我就想,我把它染黑。

So I'm like, I'll dye it black.

它就会变成黑色。

It'll be black.

然后我就染了,对吧,我还想,我没有黑色头套,但我可以自己做一个头套。

So I dye it, right, and I'm like, I ain't got no black hood, but I can make my own hood.

所以我弄了点黑色布料。

So I got some black material.

我当时不知道还得用黑线。

I didn't know I needed black thread.

我买的是白线,然后把头套缝起来了。

I got white thread and sewed the hood.

还弄了双黑色的脚套。

Got some black footies.

所以我就把它染了色,可是那个 Scooby-Doo 还是——还是能看出来。

So I dyed it, but the Scooby-Doo was still— you could see it.

而且说真的,要是我们家灯光好一点,我就会发现那其实是深灰色。

And really, if we had better lighting in our house, I would have noticed it was a dark gray.

根本不是真的黑色。

It wasn't really black.
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所以我就拿了我爸工作用的那种像记号笔一样的,你知道,永久马克笔。

So I got my daddy's work, those marker-like, you know, permanent markers.
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我就想,我干脆把这些全涂掉算了。

So I'm like, I'll just color this all out.

我大概用了三支那种永久马克笔,对吧?

I used about 3 of those permanent markers, right?

然后我就开始做那个头套。

So then I make the hood.

做出来看着像 Ultraman,要是这里有老派一点的人应该懂。

It's looking like Ultraman, if we got any old-school people in here.

一个又大又尖的脑袋。

Big pointy head.

材料完全不一样。

Totally different material.

这个跟这个根本不搭。

This don't match this.

这边全是毛糙糙的。

This all nappy.

这边又特别光滑。

This all smooth.

而且我们家只有一辆车。

And we only had 1 family car.

我哥那天晚上要出去,他就说,好吧,我送你去派对。

My brother was going out that night, and he was like, okay, I'll drop you off at the party.

我说,太好了。

I was like, good.

你就这么办。

This is what you do.

你有约会。

You got a date.

你能在外面待多晚就待多晚,这样我回家晚了就可以怪到你头上。

Stay out as late as you can, that way I can blame it on you that I'm coming home late.

我心想,完美。

I was like, perfect.

所以我就说,你尽量晚点回来。

So I was like, stay out late as you can.

于是他就把我送过去了。

So he takes me over there.

我出门前给我表亲们打电话,说,你们会去吗?

I call my cousins before I leave, like, y'all gonna be there?

他们说,会啊,我们会去。

Yeah, we gonna be there.

然后我就被送到了,对吧?

So I get dropped off, right?

我穿着我的服装。

I got my costume on.

我走进屋里。

I walk in the house.

阿姨们、妈妈们什么的都在楼上,因为大人都在楼上。

Aunties and mothers and all upstairs, 'cause the grown people upstairs.

我就说,嘿。

Like, hey.

她们就说,嘿,宝贝,你好吗?

They're like, hey, baby, how are you?

然后我就说,嘿,还有别人来了吗?

And I was like, hey, is anybody else here?

我下到楼下,一看,只有 Tracy,还有大概另外三个人。

I go downstairs, I look and see it's just Tracy and like three other people.

我就想,我那些表兄弟姐妹呢?

Like, where my cousins?
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于是我给他们打电话,说,你们在哪儿呢?

So I call them on the phone, like, where you at?
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他们说,我们妈妈说我们不能去。

Like, our mama said we can't come.

我说,什么叫你们不能来?

I'm like, what you mean y'all can't come?

我只知道 Tracy 在这儿。

All I know is Tracy here.

然后人就开始陆陆续续进来了,对吧?

And then people start coming in, right?

可是没有一个人打扮成这样。

But nobody else is dressed up.
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哦。

Oh.
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那年十月,我十二岁。

This October, I'm 12.

有男生进来了。

We got guys coming in.

那时候 Run-DMC 特别火。

Run-DMC is hot.

他们穿着压出褶线的 Levi's,Adidas,皮夹克,bomber 外套,丝绸衬衫,全都是他们开学第一天才会穿的最好的衣服,对吧?

They got Levi's creased, Adidas, leather jackets, bombers, silk shirts, all they best going-to-school first-day clothes, right?

而我穿着这身忍者装。

And I'm in this ninja outfit.

所以我就在地下室里。

So I'm in the basement.

我心想,算了,我也回不了家。

I'm like, well, I can't get home.

你懂我意思吧?

You know what I'm saying?

我哥就只有一辆车。

It's only one car my brother got.

我十二岁那会儿可没有手机。

Ain't no cell phones back when I was 12.

所以我就只能困在那儿。

So I'm just stuck there.

我就想,好吧,至少我还戴着这个兜帽。

I was like, well, at least I got this hood on.

我心想,今晚我就真的当个忍者吧。

I'm like, I'll really be a ninja tonight.

我低调点。

I'll be low-key.

我离吃的远一点,因为大家都会往这边来。

I'll stay away from the food because everybody's coming over here.

我要躲到角落里去。

I'm gonna get in the corner.

在洗衣机旁边还是什么地方。

By the washing machine or something.

然后,街坊邻居都往西边走过来的时候,他们就开始议论了。

So then, as all the neighborhood people are coming to the west side, they, like, talking.

他们就说,哎,Tracy,那个人是谁啊?

They like, well, Tracy, who is that guy?
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那边那是谁啊?

Who's that over there?
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是个男的吗?

Is it a guy?

我们什么都看不见。

We can't see nothing.

一点皮肤都没露出来,就这儿露了一点脚踝。

No part of skin is showing, just a little ankle right here.

那是谁啊?

Who is that?

我当时就想,哦,他们是在说我。

And I was like, oh, they talking about me.

我在帽兜底下听见的。

This is under the hood.

哦,他们是在说我。

Oh, they talking about me.

她就说,我不知道。

She's like, I don't know.

Tracy一直都特别强势。

And Tracy was always real aggressive.

她说,我不知道,让我看看。

She's like, I don't know, let me see.

她走过来,一把就把帽兜扯下来了。

She walks over, just snatches the hood off.

哦,就是Horace而已。

Oh, that's just Horace.

是我阿姨非让我邀请他的。

My auntie made me invite him.
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哇!

Whoa!
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但更惨的还不在这儿。

But you don't get the bad part.

然后她又说,还有,这是什么味儿啊?

Then she was like, and what's that smell?

是记号笔的味儿。

It was the marker.

哎哟,臭得要命。

Ooh, it stinks so bad.

那场派对剩下的时间,我都待在楼上厨房里,跟一堆大人在一起。

I spent the rest of the party upstairs in the kitchen with all the grown people.

三个星期以后,我胸口上还留着一块黑印子。

And three weeks later, I still had a black mark on my chest.

谢谢大家。

Thank you.
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刚才是Horace H.B.

That was Horace H.B.

Sanders。

Sanders.

他在Detroit出生长大,是一名stand-up comic,也是一位丈夫和父亲。

Born and raised in Detroit, he's a stand-up comic, a husband, and a father.

有时候,我们穿的衣服并不完全是为了风格,更多是因为它们对我们意味着什么。

Sometimes the clothes we wear are less about style and more about what they mean to us.

Deepa Ambekar在二零一四年于New York City讲述了这个故事,WNYC是The Moth的媒体合作伙伴。

Deepa Ambekar told this story in 2014 in New York City, where WNYC is a media partner of The Moth.
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有请 Deepa。

Here's Deepa.
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我当时正往一所联邦监狱的访客中心走回去。

So I'm walking back to the, uh, visitor center of a federal prison.

我的手心全是汗,胃里翻江倒海,心跳也特别快。

My hands are sweaty, my stomach's churning, and my heart's beating really fast.

我紧张并不是因为那是我第一次去那里。

I wasn't nervous because it was the first time I was there.

事实上,我以前去过监狱。

In fact, I've been to prisons before.

我是 public defender,所以去监狱探访我的当事人,对我来说并不少见。

I'm a public defender, so it's not uncommon for me to go to jail and visit my clients.

但那是我第一次以访客、朋友、以及所爱之人的身份去。

But it was the first time I was going as a visitor, a friend, and a loved one.

那天之前七个月,我要去探望的朋友 Michael,因为 immigration violations 被逮捕了。

Seven months prior to that day, my friend Michael, who I was going to visit, was arrested for immigration violations.

起因是一个被他伤透心的前任情人向 Homeland Security 写了一封举报信;他因此被抓了,因为二十年前他曾被驱逐出境,后来又重新入境,想回到他的两个孩子、妻子——或者其实不是,女朋友、他的几个兄弟姐妹,还有父母身边。

On a tip from a scorned ex-lover who had sent a letter to Homeland Security, he was picked up because 20 years earlier he was deported, reentered the country to be back with his 2 children, wife— or actually, no, his girlfriend, his several siblings, and parents.

他当时正在等待 reentry charges 的判决,这项罪名最高可能判二十年监禁,然后他会被遣返回 Guyana。

He was now awaiting sentence for reentry charges, which held a maximum sentence of 20 years of incarceration before he would be deported back to Guyana.

我知道,一旦他被转到宣判设施,他可能会被送到美国境内任何地方,所以那会是我最后一次能见到他。

I knew that once he was transferred to a sentencing facility, he would be sent anywhere within the U.S., so it was the last time I'd be able to see him.

我等了七个月,终于被加进他的访客名单,而我将会有最后一个小时,跟他道别。

I had waited 7 months to finally get on his visitors list, and I was going to have my last hour to say goodbye to him.

我走到了前面的接待区。

I got to the front area.

那位 officer 把注意力转向我,然后像是把几张表格塞到我面前。

The officer turned her attention to me, and she like shoved some papers at me.

她要看我的 ID。

She asked for my ID.

她看了大概两秒钟。

She takes 2 seconds.

她看着我。

She looks at me.

她说,女士,你不能穿那件 outerwear 进去。

She's like, ma'am, you can't wear that outerwear in there.

我说,什么?

And I was like, what?

我是说,我当时穿的是一件 cardigan,里面是一条长款夏天 maxi dress。

I mean, I was dressed in a cardigan with a long maxi summer dress.

我就说,可是女士,这不是 outerwear。

And I was like, but ma'am, this isn't outerwear.

这是 innerwear。

It's innerwear.

其实我就是穿在里面,以防这里空调开得太冷。

In fact, I'm wearing it inside here in case it's a little over-air-conditioned.

我只是想确保自己能保暖。

I just want to make sure that I'll stay warm.

她说,女士,我不管那是 outerwear、innerwear,还是 underwear。

She's like, ma'am, I don't care if that's outerwear, innerwear, or underwear.

你不能穿那个进去。

You can't wear that in there.

我说,好吧。

I was like, fine.

于是我把它脱下来,扔进了我的储物柜。

So I took it off and I threw it in my locker.

然后我靠着储物柜站着,希望自己能不那么显眼。

And I stood against the locker hoping to blend in.

这时,另一个也是来探访的女人,年纪稍微大一点,走到我面前说,女士,你知道你不能穿那样进去吧。

And then another woman who was another visitor, a little bit older, comes up to me and was like, ma'am, you know you can't wear that in there.

我就说,呃,你这是什么意思?

And I was like, well, what do you mean?

我是说,他们刚刚把我的 cardigan 拿走了。

I mean, they just took my cardigan.

她就说,他们不会让你进去的。

And she's like, they're not going to let you in there.

你的肩膀露着呢。

You have bare shoulders.

我就说,我不知道该怎么办。

And I was like, I don't know what to do.

我抬头看了看钟,已经两点半了,而他们三点就停止办理访客手续。

I looked up at the clock and it was 2:30 and they stopped processing visitors by 3:00.

我根本不可能再花一个小时四十五分钟来回,就像我来这儿那样,再回家换衣服,而且那附近肯定也没有什么 bodega。

And I couldn't possibly make the hour and 45-minute round trip that I had made there to go home, change, and there certainly wasn't any bodegas around there.

我当时就想,我到底该怎么办?

And I was like, what was I going to do?

就因为我露着肩膀,我就没法跟我的朋友告别了。

The fact that I had bare shoulders was going to stand between me and saying goodbye to my friend.

然后我就哭了起来。

And I started crying.

于是那个女人拉住我的手,说,这是你第一次来,对吧?

So the woman took my hand and she's like, it's your first time, isn't it?

别担心,之后会容易一点的。

Don't worry, it gets easier.

然后她转头对旁边大概十岁的孙子说,Johnny,去车里给这位女士拿件衬衫来。

And she turns to her grandson who was about 10 years old next to her and says, Johnny, go to the car and get this lady a shirt.

几秒钟之后,Johnny 回来了,给我拿了一件长袖衬衫。

And a few seconds later, Johnny comes back and gets me a long-sleeve shirt.

那位女士跟我解释说,我车里一直放着一套衣服。

And the lady explained to me, I just keep a wardrobe in my car.

我永远不知道那些 officer 什么时候会让我进去,所以我总是带着备用衣服,好让我能进得去。

I never know when the officers are going to let me in, so I always have extra clothing to get me in.

就在这时,叫到我的号码,可以进去了。

Just then, my number gets called to go in.

我转向那个女人说,那我该怎么把这件衬衫还给你呢?

And I turn to the woman and I say, well, how am I supposed to get this shirt back to you?

她说,别担心,亲爱的,把这份好意传下去就行了。

And she's like, don't worry, sweetie, just pay it forward.

我就说,好吧,好吧。

So I was like, all right, all right.

我把它穿上,然后回去见 Michael。

I put it on and I go back to see Michael.

那一个小时很短。

It was a short hour.

我们尽量聊一些中性的事情,比如说我们要去哪儿吃晚饭。

We tried to talk about neutral subjects, talked about, like, where we're going out to dinner.

没什么,没什么重要的事。

It was nothing, nothing major.

探视结束的时候,我努力把眼泪憋回去,不想让他看到我哭。

And at the end of our visit, I tried to choke back the tears so he wouldn't see me cry.

我只是说,你知道,回头见。

And I just said, you know, see you later.

因为我没法真正接受这件事已经到了最后。

So I couldn't grasp the finality of the situation.

然后我离开探视区,到了那个用玻璃围起来的区域,准备办理离开的手续,有手上的印章什么的。

And I leave the visiting area and I'm in the glass-enclosed area to be processed out with hand stamps and everything.

我旁边有个小女孩,大概四岁,她在哭。

And there's a small girl next to me, maybe about 4 years old, and she's crying.

她哭的不是那种,你知道,发脾气或者被人抢了玩具的眼泪,而是悲伤的眼泪。

And she's crying not tears of, you know, a temper tantrum or someone stole her toy, but tears of sorrow.

然后她走到站在旁边的妈妈那里,说,妈妈,我——

And she goes to her mom who's standing next to her and was like, Mommy, I—.
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对不起。

I'm sorry.
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我想爸爸了。

I miss Daddy.

我还想再跟他待一会儿。

I want to hang out with him real— some more.

然后她妈妈蹲下来,对她说,凑到她耳边悄悄说,你就大声喊,说你爱他。

And the mom squats down and says to her and whispers in her ear, just yell really loudly that you love him.

他会听见的。

He'll hear you.

于是她把黏糊糊的小手和湿漉漉的脸贴在窗户上,大喊,爸爸,我爱你!

And so she presses her sticky little hands and her wet face against the window and she screams, Daddy, I love you!

我低头看着这个小女孩,心里感到厌恶。

And I look down at this girl and I'm disgusted.

我是一名 public defender,很多人会因为我的工作而不舒服,或者因为我的客户被指控犯了非常恶劣的罪行而厌恶他们。

I'm a public defender, and there's a lot of people that are bothered with what I do or disgusted by my clients because they're charged with really heinous things.

但我一直都为自己做的事感到自豪。

But I have always been proud of what I did.

我努力让人们不要进监狱。

I try to keep people out of jail.

可是直到那一刻,直到我看到那个女孩,我才对自己做的事情感到厌恶,厌恶自己竟然也是这个系统的一部分,竟然也参与到了这个女孩的悲伤之中。

But it wasn't until that moment when I saw that girl that I was disgusted with what I did, that I had any part of this system, that I had any part in this girl's sorrow.

我离开了监狱,脱下那件衬衫,然后回了家。

I left the prison, I took off my shirt, and I came home.

几个星期后,我把那件衬衫带到了办公室,主要是因为我不知道该拿它怎么办,它就那样在我的咖啡桌上放了好几个星期。

A couple weeks later, I took my shirt into work, primarily because I didn't know what to do with the shirt, and it was just kind of sitting on my coffee table for a number of weeks.

所以我把它带到办公室,放进了最下面的抽屉里。

So I brought it into my office, and I put it into my bottom drawer.

又过了几个星期,我收到一位同事发给几位律师的邮件,她在邮件里说,她的一位客户,一个十七岁的女孩,刚刚从监狱获释,准备去收容所,需要衣服。

A few weeks after that, I get an email from a colleague that she had sent to a couple of the attorneys explaining that one of her clients, a 17-year-old girl, had just been released from jail and was going to a shelter and needed clothing.

于是我打开办公室最下面的抽屉,低头看着那件衬衫。

So I opened up the bottom drawer in my office and I looked down at that shirt.

在我去探望 Michael 的那一天,那件衬衫是我感受到的唯一一点善意、温柔和人性。

And that shirt was the only piece of goodness, kindness, and humanity that I felt that day that I went to go visit Michael.

所以我拿起那件衬衫,交给了我的同事,她又把它交给了她的客户,把这份善意传递下去。

So I took that shirt, I gave it to my colleague, which she gave to her client to pay it forward.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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刚才讲述的是 Deepa Ambekar。

That was Deepa Ambekar.

她和家人住在 Brooklyn。

She lives in Brooklyn with her family.

她现在仍然从事 criminal justice 方面的工作,空闲时喜欢跳 hustle dance。

She still works in criminal justice and enjoys hustle dancing in her free time.

服完刑之后,Michael 被遣返回 Guyana。

After serving his sentence, Michael was deported to Guyana.

Deepa 说,如今他过得很好,在 Europe 幸福地生活着。

Deepa says that these days, he's doing well and lives happily in Europe.

接下来,一个小女孩对一条红色 pleather 裤子念念不忘;还有一位新婚妻子,差点被洗衣日击垮。The Moth Radio Hour 稍后继续。

Coming up next, a young girl pines over a pair of red pleather pants, and a newlywed is almost undone by laundry day, when The Moth Radio Hour continues.
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The Moth Radio Hour 由位于 Massachusetts 州 Woods Hole 的 Atlantic Public Media 制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
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您正在收听的是 The Moth Radio Hour。

You're listening to The Moth Radio Hour.

我是 Chloé Salmon。

I'm Chloé Salmon.

这一集里,我们要带来一些关于我们身上穿的衣服的故事。

In this episode, we're bringing you stories of the clothes we wear.

下一个故事来自 Zakiya Minifee。

Our next story comes to us from Zakiya Minifee.

她是在 Detroit 的一场 slam 上讲的这个故事,我们在那里和公共广播电台 WDET 合作。

She told this at a slam in Detroit where we partner with public radio station WDET.

有请 Zakiya。

Here's Zakiya.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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我四岁的时候,参加我舅舅的婚礼当 flower girl,得配那套衣服穿一双特别不舒服的凉鞋,我当时简直震惊又崩溃。

At 4 years old, I was absolutely appalled by the uncomfortable sandals I had to wear with my flower girl outfit in my uncle's wedding.

六岁的时候,不管天气怎么样,我都因为必须穿那条扎人的连裤袜来配我的生日裙,气到哭,因为它完全不符合我那套造型的美感。

And at 6, I, regardless of the weather, was moved to tears because of my anger at having to wear the itchy tights with my birthday girl dress because it did not go with the aesthetic of my outfit.

这听起来可能各种疯狂,也有点像是我对时尚有奇怪的执念,但我百分之一百一十怪我妈。

And this may sound all kind of crazy and a little bit of an oddity around fashion, but I 110% blame my mother.

这不是我的错。

It is not my fault.

她就是那种人:我们在店里、在活动现场、或者看颁奖礼的时候,她特别爱说,哦,那条裙子的垂坠感太完美了,或者,那料子看起来很廉价,或者,那条牛仔裤的剪裁让它看起来像是批量生产的。

She is the type that when we are in a store, when we are at an event, when we are watching an award show, loves to say, ooh, that dress lays perfectly, or that material looks cheap, or the way those jeans are cut makes them look mass-produced.

说到时尚,我妈就是这种妈妈。

That's the kind of mom that I have when it comes to fashion.

所以有一天,我们在商场里给我姐姐买衣服,她好像要参加什么活动,她在试衣间里试衣服。

So there was a day when we were in a mall shopping for my sister for some event or another, and she's in the dressing room trying on her outfit.

谢天谢地,我们旁边就是童装区,所以我就可以自己去小小探险一下。

Thankfully, we were by the kids section, so I got to go on a little adventure.

我在一排排衣架里翻的时候,发现了我这辈子见过最酷的一条裤子。

As I'm looking through the racks, I find the sickest pair of pants I have ever seen in my entire life.

它是 pleather 的。

They are pleather.

酒红色的喇叭裤,而且刚好是我的码,所以它必须跟我走。

Oxblood red bell-bottoms, and they are in my size, so they're coming with me.

我直接从衣架上把它拿下来,跑到试衣间拿给我妈看。

I grab them right off the rack and I run them to the dressing room to show my mom.

我就说,你看这个,你看这条超酷的裤子。

I'm like, look at these, look at these sick pants.

她说,嗯,你知道,它是挺好看的,但它是 pleather。

And she's like, yeah, you know, they're great, but they're pleather.
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所以呢?

And?
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它可爱啊。

They're cute.

对我来说,这就够了。

Like, that's all that matters to me.

她说,可是 pleather 不透气。

She's like, well, pleather doesn't breathe.

天气热的时候会特别热,天气冷的时候又会冻死人。

When it's hot, it's really hot, and when it's cold, it's freezing.

我就说,可我不是也穿过那些不舒服的凉鞋,还有那些扎人的连裤袜吗,对吧?

And I was like, well, I had to wear those uncomfortable sandals and those itchy tights, right?

有时候美丽就是要付出痛苦的代价。

Sometimes beauty is pain.

你就是得这么做。

You just gotta do it.

而且最完美的是,这条裤子还在打折。

And to wrap it all up in a bow, these pants were on sale.

它完全在我九岁小孩的预算范围内,价格非常顺滑,只要八美元。

They were well within my 9-year-old budget, coming in at a smooth $8.

总之一句话,它们就是为我而生的。

Wrap them up in a bow, they were meant for me.

然后在我还是个小女孩的时候,其实到今天也是,我对衣柜里的新衣服真的是一点,一点耐心都没有。

And then when I was a little girl, and still to this day, I have zero, zero patience when it comes to new clothes in my closet.

只要下一个场合能穿,我立刻就会穿上,而我九岁的时候,下一个场合刚好就是第二天去上学。

I am wearing them at the next available event, which at 9 years old happened to be my next day of school.

我穿着那条红色人造皮革、牛血色的喇叭裤,再配一件很不错的、那种很酷的米白色毛衣,谁说什么我都听不进去。

You couldn't tell me anything in those red pleather oxblood bell-bottoms and a nice, like, cool off-white sweater.

我简直是全场最靓。

I was killing the game.

到现在我也不知道别人是不是也觉得它们像我觉得的那么可爱,但其实这也不重要。

And I still don't know if everybody else thought they were as cute as I thought they were, but it doesn't really matter.

那天我在学校过得棒极了,直到 B and A,也就是课前和课后托管的时候,事情才开始有点不对劲。

I had the best day of school, and it wasn't until B and A, or before- and aftercare, when things started to go a little wrong.

因为我是个运动型的人。

Because I am an athlete.

我是打篮球的。

I'm a hooper.

我一直都很爱玩球。

I always love to play.

当时男孩子们正在体育馆里打篮球。

And the boys were playing basketball in the gym.

那是少有的可以待在室内的日子。

It was one of the rare days to be inside.

然后他们问我要不要一起打。

And they asked me if I wanted to play.

我就说,要啊,当然要,算我一个。

And I was like, yes, absolutely, sign me up.

在体育馆里来来回回猛跑了大概三十分钟之后,我意识到我热了。

After about 30 minutes of ripping and running up and down the gym, I realized that I was hot.

就是特别热,热到汗从裤腿底下往下滴,滴到地板上,还顺着腿往下流的那种热。

Like very hot, like sweat dripping down the bottom of my pants and onto the floor and in my legs type of hot.

我完全想不明白怎么会热成这样。

And I just could not wrap my head around this type of heat.

所以我决定,就那样半跑半挪地进了厕所,谢天谢地,那是个单人卫生间。

So I decided to, like, waddle-run my way into the bathroom, which thankfully was single-use.

然后我当机立断,心想,它们必须得脱下来。

And I made the executive decision that I was like, they just gotta come off.

就是,我要把它们整个脱掉。

Like, I'm taking them all the way off.

我打算,像这样拍一拍,把自己弄干,对吧?

I'm gonna do, like, a pat-down dry, right?

我要让裤子风干一下。

I'm gonna let them air-dry.

我们就先缓一缓。

We're just gonna have a moment.

给自己一点时间,整理一下,然后平静地回去。

Moment to, like, collect ourselves and come back peacefully.

我妈妈跟我说过,人造皮革是不透气的。

So my mother had told me that pleather doesn't breathe.

热的时候就会很热。

When it's hot, it's hot.

冷的时候就会很冷。

When it's cold, it's cold.

但是她没提到的是,人造皮革又湿又热的时候,它会缩水。

Well, what she did not mention is that when pleather is wet and hot, it can shrink.

所以这条超酷的、牛血红色人造皮革喇叭裤,明明一整天都像手套一样贴合我的身材,等我准备离开厕所的时候,却怎么也提不过我的大腿。

So these dope, oxblood red pleather bell-bottoms that had been fitting me like a glove all day would not make it up past my thighs when I was ready to leave the bathroom.

而我从妈妈那里学到的所有关于时尚和风格的课,没有一条教过我,当你在公共厕所里半裸着、还必须出去的时候,到底该怎么办。

And in all of these lessons that I had learned about fashion and style from my mother, none of them had prepared me for what you do when you are half undressed in a public bathroom and need to leave.

于是那些负责看管 B and A 的大人们,照理说也确实该看管,就走过来敲门。

So as the adults who are monitoring B and A, as they should, come by and knock on the door.

Z,你还好吗?

Z, you okay?

嗯,我没事。

Yeah, I'm fine.

一切都好。

Everything's good.

十分钟后。

Ten minutes later.

Z,你确定你没事吗?

Z, are you sure you're okay?

我也不知道是命运,是魔法,还是我的眼泪起了作用,让那条裤子刚好撑大了一点点,够我穿进去。

And I don't know if it was by fate or magic or my tears that made the pants expand just enough for me to get into them.

而且我还要补充一句,它们真的从来、从来都没有完全干。

And might I add, they did never, never really dry.

它们还是相当潮。

They were still quite damp.

再把它们穿回去,简直是一次可怕的经历。

It was a terrible experience putting them back on.

但是那天快结束的时候,我妈妈来了,我一路半蹒跚半小跑地冲到车边,然后我看到那辆车的后座上,正等着我的是一条最美好、最柔软、像黄油一样舒服的棉质运动裤。

But my mom showed up at the end of the day, and I waddle-ran my way out to the car, and there were the most beautiful, smooth, buttery-comfortable cotton sweatpants waiting for me in the back seat of that car.

朋友们,我跟你们说,如果别的你什么都没学到,那也请记住:查天气,了解你要参加的活动场地环境,知道你的面料透不透气,然后根据这些来穿衣服。

And let me tell you, friends, if you've learned nothing else, check the weather, check the environment of your event, know how your fabrics breathe and dress accordingly.
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Zakiya Minifee 在 Michigan 的 East Lansing 长大,现在住在 Chicago。

Zakiya Minifee grew up in East Lansing, Michigan, and now lives in Chicago.

她热爱现场音乐,并且立志在每一场演唱会上都拉起舞圈、给陌生人加油助兴。

She's a lover of live music and aims to create dance circles and hype up strangers at every concert.

Zakiya 说,自从那条她曾经深爱的红色人造皮裤背叛了她之后,它就再也没见过天日。

Zakiya says that after they betrayed her, her once-loved red pleather pants never saw the light of day again.

这么多年过去了,哪怕只是提到人造皮革,都会让她冒汗,也会让她妈妈笑到打滚。

All of these years later, even the mention of pleather makes her sweat and makes her mom roll around with laughter.

成年后的 Zakiya 依然会在时尚上冒险,只不过现在她的秀场是公司办公室,而不是小学走廊了。

As an adult, Zakiya still takes fashion risks, though now her runway is a corporate office instead of her elementary school hallways.

她的建议是什么呢?

Her advice?

只要你搭配一条 pencil skirt 或者一件 blazer,几乎什么造型你都能混过去。

You can get away with almost anything if you pair it with a pencil skirt or a blazer.

流苏和亮片是她个人最喜欢的元素。

Tassels and sparkles are her personal favorites.

想看看 Zakiya 和她时髦家人的一些照片,就去 themoth.org。

To see some photos of Zakiya and her stylish family, head on over to themoth.org.

我们的下一个故事来自 London 的 StorySLAM 系列。

Our next story comes from our StorySLAM series in London.

有请 Adrienne Burris。

Here's Adrienne Burris.
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好。

Okay.

所以那是二零一一年十一月,我刚结婚。

So it's November 2011 and I just got married.

所以在 Adrienne 的世界里,一切基本上都完美得不得了。

So everything's pretty much perfect in Adrienne land.

我的厨房里堆满了各种小工具和小玩意儿,我甚至都不知道怎么用。

I have a kitchen that's full of gadgets and gizmos I don't even know how to use.

比如一个 bread tube。

Things like a bread tube.

我也不知道那是什么,但我现在是个妻子了,所以我会研究出怎么用它的。

I don't know, but I'm a wife now, so I'm gonna figure out how to use it.

我的衣柜里也装满了特别漂亮的新衣服,都是我为了教会给我办的那些 bridal shower,还有彩排晚宴,不得不买的。

I have a closet full of just gorgeous new clothes that I had to buy for all the bridal showers my church threw for me and the rehearsal dinner.

其中包括一件无袖的、真丝的、象牙白的 button-down blouse,上面有珍珠纽扣,穿上它让我觉得自己特别精致。

Including this sleeveless, real silk, ivory button-down blouse with pearl buttons that made me feel so sophisticated.

所有这些东西都在我们的第一个家里,那是郊区的一栋三居室房子,旁边有一条小溪,后院有绣球花丛,还有鸟儿和树。

And all of these things are in our first home, which is this three-bedroom house in the suburbs with a creek on the side and hydrangea bushes in the back and birds and trees.

这简直就是婚姻开始时最完美的画面,而这在当时对我特别重要,因为我从小没有经历过那样的家庭。

And it's the picture-perfect start to a marriage, which is something that was really important to me at the time because I didn't have that growing up.

我十一岁的时候,我爸妈离婚了。

My parents got divorced when I was 11.

然后我爸娶了他的情人,后来又跟她离婚了。

Then my dad married his mistress and then divorced her.

我十几岁的时候,我妈觉得跟我高中的校长约会是个特别棒的主意。

And when I was a teenager, my mom thought it was a great idea to date my high school principal.

剧透一下,妈,那并不是个好主意。

Spoiler alert, not a great idea, Mom.

谢谢。

Thanks.

所以我对婚姻的很多期待,还有我觉得婚姻应该是什么样子的那些价值观,都来自 Jane Austen 的小说和浪漫喜剧,但我真的已经尽力了。

So a lot of my expectations for marriage and my values for what it should look like came from Jane Austen novels and romantic comedies, but I was really doing the best I could.

那时候是十一月,我们度完蜜月回来大概一周,我哥哥来我们家做客。

So it's November, we've been back from our honeymoon for about a week, and my brother comes over to visit in our home.

我就在那里扮演小女主人,我们坐在沙发上看电视,我摆了零食,还给他展示我们婚礼收到的所有礼物,以及蜜月旅行的照片。

And I'm playing little hostess, and we're on the couch watching TV, and I've got snacks out, and I'm showing off all of our gifts that we got for the wedding and pictures from the honeymoon.

然后我丈夫 Ben 从卧室里探出来,说他要下楼去洗衣服。

And my husband, Ben, pops out of the bedroom to say he's going downstairs to do laundry.

我心想,那当然了,因为你是完美丈夫嘛。

And I think, of course you are, because you're the perfect husband.

你当然会去洗衣服。

You're going to do laundry.

然后他下楼了,我继续跟我哥哥聊天。

And he goes downstairs, and I keep talking to my brother.

但我开始有一种感觉,觉得他可能——他也许忘了什么东西,你知道吧,因为他毕竟只是个丈夫。

I just start to get this feeling that I think he probably— he might have forgotten something, you know, because he's just a husband.

他大概就是忘了卧室里的某件东西。

He probably just forgot, like, an item in the bedroom.

所以我离开我哥哥,走进卧室,然后我发现少了样东西。

So I leave my brother and I go into the bedroom, and I realize that there's something missing.

他把我彩排晚宴那天穿的那件生丝白衬衫,带珍珠扣子的那件,拿去和蓝色牛仔裤一起放进了洗衣机。

And he's taken my raw silk white blouse with the pearl buttons from my rehearsal dinner and put it into the washing machine with the blue jeans.

我当场就炸了。

And I flip my shit.

我就——我尖叫着说,你干了什么?

I'm like— I'm screaming, what have you done?
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你干了什么?

What have you done?
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然后我冲出去,这时候他已经从洗衣房回来了,他像个正常人一样问,我干了什么?

And I run out, and by this time he's back up from the laundry room, and like a sane person he says, what have I done?

我就开始喊,那件衬衫!

And I start yelling, the shirt!

那件衬衫!

The shirt!

然后他说,什么衬衫?

And, what shirt?

这只让我更火大。

And this only incites me further.

于是我把他推到一边。

So I push him out of the way.

我冲到地下室,猛地掀开洗衣机盖子,把两只胳膊都伸进正在运转的洗衣机里。

I run down into the basement, throw open the lid to the washing machine, and throw both arms into the running washing machine.

里面的搅拌叶片一直打在我的胳膊上,泡沫也不停往外冒。

The paddles are like beating against my arm and the suds are, like, coming out.

我把湿漉漉的蓝色牛仔裤一条条往空中扔,扔到地下室地板上,就为了救这件衬衫。

And I'm throwing wet blue jeans, like, into the air onto the floor of our basement trying to save this shirt.

我就开始乱扔东西,还不停地骂。

And I'm throwing things and I'm cursing.

然后我开始想,这件衬衫可是那件新衬衫啊,而且特别漂亮。

And I start thinking about how this shirt was, like, the new shirt and it was beautiful.

这是我这辈子拥有过的最好的衣服。

It's the nicest piece of clothing I've ever owned.

它本来是用来开启这段婚姻的。

It was to start this marriage.

然后我就哭了,一边扔衣服,一边怎么都找不到它。

And I start crying and I'm throwing clothes and I cannot find it.

可我知道它就在里面。

And I know it's in there.

然后我正要又开始尖叫的时候,我听见门砰的一声关上了。

And then I'm about to start screaming again when I hear the door slam.

楼上传来砰的一声。

Slam upstairs.

我一下子就停住了。

And I just stop.

我完全忘了我弟弟也在那儿。

I had forgotten that my brother was there at all.

而离开的并不是 Ben。

And it wasn't Ben who had left.

是我弟弟。

It was him.

我的思绪立刻被拉回到一九九九年的情人节,那时候我有一个小小的心形巧克力盒,还有一只小熊。

And I'm immediately taken back in my mind to Valentine's Day 1999 when I had my little heart-shaped box of chocolates and a bear.

我弟弟好像有一辆小小的情人节赛车之类的东西。

And my brother had, like, a little Valentine's race car or something.

我们在等我爸爸回家。

And we were waiting for my dad to get home.

可是他一直都没有回来。

And he never did.

半夜大概三点的时候,我醒了,听见他们在互相吼。

And I woke up in the middle of the night at like 3:00 AM to hear them yelling at each other.

几乎就在那之后没多久,我就知道他们要分开了。

And it was almost immediately after that I found out they were splitting up.

我知道,当我弟弟来我们家,听见我在刚结婚一个星期后就那样对我丈夫大吼时,他心里一定在想,很明显,我们家的婚姻以后就是这个样子。

And I know when my brother came to visit and heard me yelling at my husband like that just a week after we got married, he was thinking, this is obviously what marriage is going to be like in our family.

就在我的两只胳膊伸进正在运转的洗衣机里,深到肩膀的时候,我突然顿悟了。

And I had an epiphany with my arms shoulder deep in a running washing machine.

我的婚姻不会变成那样。

That my marriage was not going to be like that.

爱不是拥有那种 sitcom 里的婚姻,也不是拥有明信片上那种完美画面,因为我们一定会犯错。

Love isn't about having the marriage that's from a sitcom, from having the picture-perfect postcard, because we're gonna make mistakes.

真正的爱,是在这些错误当中仍然彼此相爱,是主动选择去爱对方,选择去原谅对方。

But it's about loving each other through those mistakes and actively choosing to love each other and choosing to forgive each other.

于是我把手臂从洗衣机里抽出来,盖上盖子。

So I pull my arms out of the washing machine and I close the lid.

我就把所有衣服都留在地板上。

I just leave all the clothes on the floor.

我心想,算了,到了这个份上,为了这段婚姻,我就牺牲这件衬衫吧。

I'm like, whatever, at this point I sacrificed the shirt for the sake of the marriage.

我转身往楼上走,准备去承认自己的丢脸,找到我弟弟,跟他道歉。

I turned to walk upstairs to make my shame known and find my brother and apologize.

我还没走到楼梯顶,就看见 Ben 站在那里,看起来又累又沮丧,而且他有理由这样。他手里拿着那件皱巴巴的白色真丝衬衫,上面有珍珠纽扣,是他在浴室门后面找到的。

And I don't even make it to the top before I see Ben standing there looking tired and frustrated, rightfully so, holding in his hands the crumpled white silk shirt with the pearl buttons he had found behind the bathroom door.

谢谢。

Thanks.
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刚才讲述的是 Adrienne Burris。

That was Adrienne Burris.
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她现在和丈夫 Ben、两个孩子,还有一只特别淘气的猫,住在 South Carolina 的 Greenville。

She now lives in Greenville, South Carolina, with her husband Ben, two kids, and a very mischievous cat.

她是一位诗人,在当地的 arts center 教小学和初中的学生创意写作。

She's a poet who teaches creative writing to elementary and middle school students at her local arts center.

我问她,那件衬衫是不是还留着。

I asked her if she still has the shirt.

她说很遗憾,已经没有了,因为她穿得太频繁,最后那件衣服磨得太破,又有太多污渍,实在没法再留着了。

She said that sadly she doesn't, as she wore it so much that it was eventually too frayed and stained to keep going.

她到现在还是很怀念那件衬衫,不过现在买衣服,她严格只买可以机洗的。

She still remembers it fondly, but now strictly buys clothing that is machine washable.

十多年过去了,Adrienne 和 Ben 依然是夫妻。

After more than a decade, Adrienne and Ben are still married.

想看他们婚礼当天的照片、Adrienne 和她哥哥的合照,还有那件衬衫的照片,就去 themoth.org 看看。

To see photos of them on their wedding day, Adrienne with her brother, and a picture of the shirt, head on over to themoth.org.

广告之后,一位性格温和的少年加入了高中橄榄球队;还有一位年轻女性,通过一场堪称史诗级的 catwalk 对决,闯进了 modeling 行业。

After the break, a mild-mannered teenager joins his high school's football team, and a young woman breaks into the modeling industry with a catwalk battle for the ages.
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The Moth Radio Hour 由位于 Massachusetts 的 Woods Hole 的 Atlantic Public Media 制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
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这里是 The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是 Chloe Salmon。

I'm Chloe Salmon.

有时候,我们身上穿的衣服,更多不是为了出众,而是为了融入。

Sometimes the clothes on our backs are more about fitting in than standing out.

Graham Shelby 在 Kentucky 的 Louisville 举办的一场 Grand Slam 上讲了这个故事,我们在那里和 Louisville Public Media 合作。

Graham Shelby told this story at a Grand Slam in Louisville, Kentucky, where we partner with Louisville Public Media.

下面是 Graham,在 The Moth 的现场。

Here's Graham, live at The Moth.
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我十五岁的时候,突然长个儿,一下子长到了六英尺三英寸,体重两百磅。

When I was 15, I had a growth spurt, and it left me 6'3" and 200 pounds.

所以我决定加入高中橄榄球队。

So I decided to join the high school football team.

我这么做,一部分是因为别人老是对我说类似这样的话:“小伙子,你打橄榄球吧?”

I did this partly because people kept saying things to me like, "You play football, son?"

而我能感觉到,回答“不打”并不能让人满意。

And I could tell that no was not a satisfying answer.

我这么做也是为了让我爸刮目相看。

I also did it to impress my dad.

他当年是 all-conference wide receiver,是他教我打这项运动的。

He'd been an all-conference wide receiver back in the day, and he taught me the game.

而且我们不只是出去传传橄榄球而已,不,我们会在院子里跑战术,你知道,post pattern、flea flicker、buttonhook 这些。

And we didn't just go and throw the football, no, we would run plays in the yard, you know, the post pattern, flea flickers, buttonhooks.

我想,我这么做也是因为想把我们之间的联系再巩固一下,因为那时候我已经比他高五英寸,重五十磅了。

And I guess I did it because I wanted to kind of solidify our connection, because at this point I was five inches taller and 50 pounds heavier than he was.

那感觉很怪。

And that was weird.
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是啊。

Yeah.
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训练第一天,教练们把我们带到一个又黑又潮、脏兮兮的 weight room,做力量测试。

On the first day of practice, the coaches led us down to this dark, dank, grimy weight room for a strength test.

我正准备做第一组 squat thrusts,这时一个教练走过来,对所有人大声宣布:“记住了,各位,橄榄球不会塑造性格,它会揭示性格。”

And I'm getting ready to do my first set of squat thrusts, and one of the coaches comes through and just announces to everyone, "Now remember, gentlemen, football doesn't build character, it reveals character."

好吧。

Okay.

这句话激励了我旁边那个人,他几乎凑到我脸前,对我说:“来啊,哥们儿,别放弃。”

And that inspired the guy next to me to kind of get in my face and say, "Come on, man, don't quit."

惩罚你自己。

Punish yourself.

惩罚你自己!

Punish yourself!

我当时真的很想让他闭嘴。

And I really wanted him to shut up.

因为我真的不想让大家注意到,我连一根杠铃杆都举得这么吃力。

Because I really didn't want everybody to notice that I was struggling with a bar.

而那上面的杠铃片,也就 doughnut 那么大。

That had weights on it the size of doughnuts.

而且我也害怕,如果他们看到了,他们就会一下子看穿我,发现其实我心里一点都不觉得自己强大。

And I also was afraid that if they saw that, they would see right through me to the fact that I didn't feel big.

我感觉自己还是那个傻乎乎、笨拙的孩子,那个被人欺负、只要有机会就躲开冲突的孩子。

I felt like the same goofy, awkward kid who'd gotten picked on, who'd avoided confrontation any chance he could.

你知道,我大多数时候还是活在自己脑子里的世界里。

You know, I still lived mostly in the world in my head.

想着 Superman、Captain Kirk,还有 Woody Allen。

Thinking about Superman and Captain Kirk and Woody Allen.

而我希望 football 能帮我改变这一点。

And I wanted football to help change that.

我希望它能帮我学会为自己站出来,让我内心感觉和外表看起来一样强大。

I wanted it to help me stand up for myself and feel as big on the inside as I looked on the outside.

第二天,我去找训练员量尺寸,准备配那些护具、装备什么的。过了一会儿,训练员就说,这栋楼里没有一个 helmet 能适合我,因为我的头实在太大了。

The next day, I went to the trainer to get fitted for, you know, the pads and equipment and everything, and after a while, the trainer just said that there was not a helmet in the building that would fit me because my head was too physically large.

Coach,我们得给这家伙特别订一个。

Coach, we're going to have to special order one for this guy.

真的,超大。

Huge, really.
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不会吧。

No.
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我被安排去跟 offensive line 一起训练。

I was assigned to work with the offensive line.

这些都是大块头,他们负责挡住 defense,保护那些拿球的小个子队友。

These are big dudes who try to block the defense and protect the smaller guys who have the ball.

我当时在努力学那些动作,Coach 走过来给了我一些建议。他说,孩子,你上场的时候要做的就是,把你的手肘顶进去,差不多把对方的嘴唇撞出点血来。

And I was sort of trying to get the moves down, and the coach came over and gave me some tips, and he said, Son, when you get in the game, what you want to do is, you know, get your elbow in there and kind of bloody the guy's lip a little bit.

我心想,这也太坏了吧。

And I thought, that's so mean.

我差点就说,Coach,我其实不太想伤害任何人。

And I almost said, Coach, I don't really want to hurt anybody.

这会是个问题吗?

Is that going to be a problem?

然后训练结束时,他们把我们全都叫到一起,要宣布一件事。

And then they gathered us all at the end of practice for an announcement.

他们说,先生们,我们要办一个募捐活动,筹钱买一些新的 weight equipment。

They said, Gentlemen, we are holding a fundraiser to get some new weight equipment.

我们希望你们每个人拿一张认捐表,四处去问问你们的朋友、邻居、亲戚,让他们同意按你举起的每一磅捐一点钱,因为下周六我们要在 mall 做一场公开的举重展示。

We want each of you to take a pledge form, go around, talk to your friends, your neighbors, your relatives, and get them to agree to give a little bit of money for each pound that you lift, because we're going to have a public weightlifting display next Saturday at the mall.
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哇。

Wow.
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这简直是一层又一层的羞辱,在我脑子里不停翻滚。

And this was just multiple layers of humiliation just running through my head.

我心想,我该怎么办?

I thought, what am I going to do?

我回到家,整个人都快过度换气了,然后我听见脑子里有个声音,听起来有点像一九八六年前后的 Woody Allen。

And I get home and I'm like hyperventilating and I hear this voice in my head and it sort of sounded a little like Woody Allen circa 1986.

那个声音就说,你知道吗,Graham,你不一定非得打 football。

And it just said, you know, Graham, you don't have to play football.

这又不是强制的。

It's not required.

然后我爸走了进来。

And my dad comes in.

他说,训练怎么样?

And he says, how was practice?

而且我也没多想,就暴露出了我真正的性格。

And without thinking, too, I revealed my character.

爸,这不是我。

Dad, this isn't me.

我要退出球队。

I'm quitting the team.

我不知道他会说什么。

And I didn't know what he was going to say.

他看起来像是脑子里一下子闪过了一百个念头,然后他离开了房间,过了一会儿又回来,他的眼睛有点亮亮的,但他说,Graham,你就做对你自己来说正确的事。

He looked like he was thinking 100 things at once, and he left the room, and he came back a little later, and his eyes were kind of shiny, but he said, Graham, you do what's right for you.

我感觉像是一副脏兮兮的杠铃那么重的担子,一下子从我肩上掉了下来。

And I felt like a weight the size of a grimy barbell just fell right off my shoulders.

然后我决定开始把那些白日梦写在纸上,后来就成了一名作家。

And I decided to start putting those daydreams on paper, and became a writer.

我创办了我们学校的文学杂志。

I founded my school's literary magazine.

我和爸爸还是会时不时出去,跑几个 buttonhook 和 flea-flicker。

And Dad and I still, every once in a while, would go out and run a few buttonhooks and flea-flickers.

结果发现,那才是我想成为的那种橄榄球运动员。

It turned out that was the kind of football player I wanted to be.

这样也挺好,因为我其实已经进了球队。

And that was good, because I'd already made the team.

谢谢大家。

Thank you.
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Graham Shelby 是一位作家、讲故事的人,也是电影制作人。

Graham Shelby is a writer, storyteller, and filmmaker.

他的纪录片 City of Ali,讲的是 Muhammad Ali 去世如何把 Louisville 的人们凝聚在一起,现在已经上线可以观看。

His documentary, City of Ali, about how the death of Muhammad Ali brought the people of Louisville together, is streaming now.

他和妻子以及三个十几岁的儿子住在一起,顺便说一句,那三个儿子是三胞胎。

He lives with his wife and three teenage sons, who are, by the way, triplets.

Graham 并不后悔退出球队。

Graham doesn't regret quitting the team.

他有时候会想象,如果自己经历了那完整的一切会是什么样子——灯光、击掌、欢呼的人群——但他也非常开心,能在压力稍微小一点的 flag football 联赛里,纯粹为了好玩而打球。

He sometimes imagines what it would have been like to have had the whole experience—the lights, high-fives, and cheering crowds—but he's been more than happy to play for fun in the slightly lower-stakes world of flag football leagues.

如果你想看一些 Graham 和他爸爸的照片,可以去 themoth.org。我们的最后一个故事,来自一九七三年 Battle of Versailles fashion show 的一位参与者。那场秀让法国和美国设计师在 T 台上展开了一场堪称经典的对决。

To see some photos of Graham and his dad, head on over to themoth.org. Our final story comes to us from a participant in the 1973 Battle of Versailles fashion show, which pitted French and American designers against each other in a catwalk showdown for the ages.

Norma Jean Darden 是在 Harlem 的 Aaron Davis Hall 的一场 Moth Mainstage 上讲述这个故事的。

Norma Jean Darden told it at a Moth Mainstage at Aaron Davis Hall in Harlem.

有请 Norma Jean。

Here's Norma Jean.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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我当了很多年的时装模特,而这个梦想在我很小的时候就有了。

I was a fashion model for many years, and I got this dream when I was very young.

我父亲以前会在我们家后院办时装秀,为 NAACP 筹款,他是个很有意思的人。

My father used to give fashion shows in our backyard to raise money for the NAACP, and he was quite a character.

他居然请到了 Sammy Davis Jr. 来当主持人。那时候我还是个十几岁的孩子,我在我们客房里看到那些美得不得了的人,她们站在床单上。

He managed to get Sammy Davis Jr. to come be the emcee, and I was a teenager and I got to see these gorgeous creatures in our guest room on sheets.

她们还带着颜料。

And they had paint.

她们把身体涂上颜色。

They painted their bodies.

她们戴着假睫毛。

They had false eyelashes.

这些东西我以前从来没见过。

I'd never even seen these things.

于是我就有了一个念头,我特别想当模特。

And I got this idea that I would love to be a model.

我把这个想法告诉了我妈妈。

And I told my mother.

但我那时候有点像丑小鸭。

But I was a bit of an ugly duckling.

我个子特别高。

I was so tall.

我比班上所有人都高,连男生也包括在内。

I was taller than everyone in the class, the boys included.

而且我也绝对不是什么大美女。

And I wasn't exactly a raving beauty.

所以她说,不行,你要去上大学。

So she said, no, you're going to college.

这才是你要做的事。

That's what you're doing.

于是我去了大学,也确实读完了。

And I went to college and I did finish.

我的老师们注意到,我喜欢自己的穿搭,跟喜欢书本一样开心。

And my teachers noticed that I was as happy with my outfits as I was with my books.

所以他们决定让我代表我们学校,Sarah Lawrence,去 Mademoiselle magazine。

And so they decided to get me to represent our college, Sarah Lawrence, at Mademoiselle magazine.

那是在六十年代,所以我穿着小鞋子,跟包是配套的,帽子跟手套也是配套的,还穿了一套套装,外面是一件红色 bouclé 大衣,带披肩。

So this is in the '60s, so I had my little shoes to match my bag, my hat to match my gloves, a suit, and a red bouclé coat with a cape.

我那会儿特别有戏剧感。

And I was very dramatic.

于是我一路冲进 Condé Nast,穿着我的小高跟漆皮鞋上了楼,走到接待员那里。

So I dashed into Condé Nast, went up in my little high-heeled patent leather shoes, and I got to the receptionist.

她对我说,你来这儿干什么?

And she said to me, what are you doing here?

你为什么不走送货入口?

Why didn't you use the delivery entrance?

我说,嗯,我是来代表我的大学的。

And I said, well, I'm here to represent my college.

她说,那一定是哪里搞错了。

And she said, there must be some mistake.

我们这里,只用白人模特。

We only use white models here.

我当时震惊得不行,真的目瞪口呆。

And I was so stunned and really flabbergasted.

于是我给学校打了电话,派我去的那个人是个来自南方的白人,他气坏了,闹得很厉害,最后终于让他们在第二年用了一个黑人模特。

So I called my college and our person who had sent me was a Southern white person and he became outraged and he carried on and he finally got them the next year to use a Black model.

但那个人不是我。

But it wasn't me.

所以我毕业之后来到 New York,想着要当演员。

So I came to New York after I graduated with the idea of being an actress.

但问题又来了,我总是比男主角高出一大截。

But there again, I was looming over the leading men.

而且我总是被说太怎么怎么样。

And I was always too something.

有一次我因为一个角色被说肤色太深,后来又因为另一个角色被说肤色太浅;这个角色说我太高,那个角色说我太瘦,还有的说我不够瘦。

Once I was too dark for a part, then I was too light for a part, too tall for a part, too thin for a part, not thin enough.

所以我很难拿到角色。

So I was having a hard time getting cast.

他们跟我说,试试做模特吧,从后门绕进去。

And they told me, try modeling, come through the back door.

所以我就在试着走这条路。

So I was trying that.

然后在六十年代,人们会跟我说,嗯,我们当然很想用黑人模特,但南方的人不会买我们的产品,所以我们不能这么做。

And then people were telling me in the '60s, well, we would love to use Black models, but the Southern people wouldn't buy our products, so we can't do it.

我觉得这说法太虚伪了,但我也无能为力。

I thought that was such a phony argument, but couldn't do anything about it.

后来,我父亲时装秀上的一位模特 Audrey Smaltz 想出了一个主意,说我们去 Harper's Bazaar 门口举牌抗议。

And then one of the models from my father's fashion show, Audrey Smaltz, got this idea that we would picket Harper's Bazaar.

所以我们就拿着我们的小标语牌下去了,在他们门口游行。

So we went down with our little placards and we marched in front of there.

我们一共只有六个人,但却闹出了不小的动静。

And there were only six of us, but we created quite a stir.

他们下来跟我们说,没必要这样,说你知道,杂志正在改变。

And they came down, they told us that that wasn't necessary and that, you know, the magazine was changing.

果然,他们雇了一个 Black model,但不是我们。

And sure enough, they hired a Black model, but it wasn't us.

所以我们觉得自己是在打开一些门,可我们自己却一点也没往前走。

So we felt like we were opening doors, but we weren't getting anywhere.

我想这就是为什么我们叫自己“小小开拓者”。

And I guess that's why we called ourselves the little pioneers.

后来出现了一家叫 Black Beauty 的经纪公司。

Then along came an agency called Black Beauty.

Black Beauty 造成了很大的影响。

And Black Beauty made a big imprint.

他们让 Life magazine 给 Naomi Sims 做了一期封面。

They got Life magazine to do a cover with Naomi Sims.

我们在杂志里面,突然之间,我们成了城里最火的人。

We were inside and suddenly we were the rage of the town.

接着出现了 Black designers,比如 Stephen Burrows、Jon Haggins 和 Scott Barrie。

Along came the Black designers like Stephen Burrows and Jon Haggins and Scott Barrie.

我们一下子就成了当红女孩。

And we were suddenly the in girls.

到处都能看到我们。

We were everywhere.

然后 Eleanor Lambert 出现了,她想出了一个主意,要把 American fashion 带到 Paris。

So along came Eleanor Lambert, who got this idea to take American fashion to Paris.

所以她雇了所有 Black models,去代表一些 American designers,而 French people 也找了所有人来代表他们。

So she hired all the Black models to represent some of the American designers, and the French people got everybody to represent them.

于是我们就出发去了 Paris。

And off we went to Paris.

French 那边排练花了两个小时。

And the French took two hours on their rehearsals.

他们安排 Nureyev 跳到阳台上去。

And they had Nureyev leaping into the balcony.

他们还请了 Grace Kelly 当主持人。

And they had Grace Kelly as the emcee.

还有我们最喜欢的艺术家 Josephine Baker,当歌手。

And Josephine Baker, our favorite artist, as the singer.

然后我们进来了。

And we came in.

那地方冷得要命。

And it was freezing cold.

他们也没有给我们准备任何吃的。

And they didn't have any food for us.

我们在那里待了一整天。

And we were there all day.

而这就是唯一一天的排练。

And this was the one day of rehearsals.

我们的编舞是 Kay Thompson,她写过 Eloise。

And we had Kay Thompson, who'd written Eloise, as a choreographer.

她对我们彻底放弃了,然后辞了。

And she gave up on us and quit.

大家彼此也都合不来。

And no one was getting along.

那真是一团糟。

It was a terrible thing.

然后演出开始了。

And the show started.

然后 Parisians 先上场。

And the Parisians went first.

他们一场接一场地演了大概两个小时。

And they went on for about 2 hours with one show after another.

而我们什么都没有,只有 Barry White 那美妙的音乐,还有我们自己。

And we had absolutely nothing but our wonderful music from Barry White and ourselves.

在我们能够去 7th Avenue 工作、登上那些杂志之前,我们大多数人一直是在教堂里做事。

And we had been working in churches, most of us, before we were able to work on 7th Avenue and make the magazines.

所以我们有的只是自己的那股兴奋劲儿。

So we had only our own exuberance.

等我们一上台,他们看到那种能量都惊呆了,因为法国模特都很僵硬,她们基本就是慢慢地走来走去。

And when we hit the stage, they was astonished to see that kind of energy because the French models were very stiff and they just sort of moved around slowly.

而我们就是在跳舞,在尽情地闹,最后到处摆 pose。

And we were just dancing and cavorting and at the end just posing everywhere.

他们兴奋得把节目单都扔到空中,还跺脚,还大喊。

And they got so excited they threw their programs in the air and they were stamping their feet and they were yelling.

然后美国人成功了。

And the Americans were successful.

后来,我回到了美国。

Well, I came back to America.

结果并没有发生太多事情。

And not much was going on.

似乎没有人把我们那场精彩的成功带回到这边来。

No one seemed to have carried our wonderful success over here.

后来我设法登上了 Essence magazine 的封面。

And I managed to get the cover of Essence magazine.

对我们来说,那是一件非常了不起的事。

And for us, that was a very big deal.

就在我要拍摄的前一天,突然之间,我感到一阵剧痛。

And the day before I was to shoot it, all of a sudden, I felt a terrible pain.

我自己去了医院,他们说,天哪,你脸都绿了。

And I took myself to the hospital and they said, oh my God, you're green.

他们说,你这个时候生病真是太糟了,因为我们所有的外科医生都在 California 参加研讨会。

And they said, this is an awful time for you to be ill because all of our surgeons are in a seminar in California.

真是太美好了。

So lovely.

然后接下来的三天,我什么都不记得了。

And I don't remember another thing for 3 days.

我失去了我的封面。

And I lost my cover.

而且因为那次手术,我再也不能当 fashion model 了。

And because of the operation, I was no longer able to be a fashion model.

这对我来说简直是毁灭性的打击。

And this for me was just devastating.

我的梦想没了。

My dream was gone.

但所有人都知道,modeling 是一种彩虹般短暂的职业,你不会指望自己能永远做下去。

But everyone knows that modeling is a rainbow career and you don't expect to do it forever.

可接下来的问题是,我该做什么。

But the next thing was what to do.

所以我找了一份助理的工作,在 fashion 的后台做事。

So I took a job as an assistant working backstage in fashion.

后来有人让我和 Jon Haggins 跳一段 tango,他就是雇我的那位设计师。

And I was asked to do a tango with Jon Haggins, who was the designer who had hired me.

他想让我们跳着 tango 出场,然后再开始他的 show。

And he wanted us to tango out and then to do his show.

可是他不想把白色的 runway 弄脏,所以我们不能排练。

So he didn't want to get the white runway dirty, so we couldn't practice.

等到那天来了,他特别兴奋,Vogue 的编辑来了,Harper's Bazaar 的编辑也在场,然后我们出去准备跳 tango,结果舞台塌了。

So when the day came and he was so excited, the Vogue editor had come, the Harper's Bazaar editor was there, and we got out to do our tango and the stage collapsed.

然后我们就这么撞进了 Vogue 编辑的怀里。

And we fell into the laps of the Vogue editor.

不用说,那场演出并不算特别成功。

Needless to say, the show was not quite a hit.

不过他之前让我带一些好吃的,演出结束后给大家吃。

But he had asked me to bring some goodies to serve people after the show.

我带去了之后,大家很喜欢我带的东西,而且 Channel 13 也在场,他们就请我去做 catering。

And when I did, they liked what I brought and Channel 13 was there and they asked me to be a caterer.

所以我和我妹妹其实对 catering 一点都不懂。

So my sister and I didn't know anything about catering at all.

他们说,我们会付你五千美元,你来给祖母们和孙辈们的活动准备食物。

And they said, we're going to pay you $5,000 and you're going to bring the food for the grandmothers and the grandchildren.

那个活动?

Affair?

然后我们说,好,我们来。

And we said, yes, we will.

结果那次非常成功。

So that turned out to be quite successful.

到了那个时候,我们已经三十多岁了,我们发现我们的祖父是作为奴隶出生的。

And at that point, when we were in our 30s by now, we had found out that our grandfather was born a slave.

于是我们决定去采访当时已经七十多岁、八十多岁的亲戚,了解他们那个年代是什么样子的。

We decided that we would interview our relatives that were then in their 70s and 80s and find out about what it was like in their time.

后来我们成功做出了一本回忆录式的 cookbook,叫 Spoonbread and Strawberry Wine。

And we've managed to create a memoir cookbook called Spoonbread and Strawberry Wine.

所以在我们重新发现自己家族的这段旅程里,我们发现最珍贵的事情,就是收集照片,收集食谱,因为这些就是我们所有人的传承。

So in our journey to rediscover our family, we found the most precious thing to do is to collect photographs, to collect recipes, because that is all of our legacies.

也正是这些东西让一切变得这么特别,让我们能为社会作出贡献。我们觉得那些贡献很小,但回头看,其实非常宏大,而且我们也是让这个社会运转起来的那张织物的一部分。

And that is what makes things so special, and it makes our contributions to society and we feel they're small, but when we look back on it, they're really grand and we're part of a fabric that makes the society work.

在我一路走来的经历里,我曾经为 President Clinton 工作过,为 President Bush 工作过,也为 President Trump 工作过。

And in my travels, I've managed to work for President Clinton, for President Bush, for President Trump.

钱就是钱。

Money is money.

钱就是钱。

Money is money.

当一扇门关上时,只要我们愿意接受自己的命运,另一扇门就可能打开。

And when one door closes, another can open if we're open to our destinies.

谢谢你们聆听。

And thank you for listening.
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刚才说话的是 Norma Jean Darden。

That was Norma Jean Darden.

她在 food 和 fashion 这两个领域都有很长的职业生涯。

She's had a long career in the food and fashion worlds.

作为 Wilhelmina 的 model,她的照片登上过许多刊物,包括 Vogue、Harper's Bazaar 和 Essence magazine。

As a Wilhelmina model, her photos appeared in numerous publications including Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, and Essence magazine.

她还和她的妹妹 Carole 共同创作了获奖的 Doubleday 书籍 Spoonbread and Strawberry Wine: Recipes and Reminiscences of a Family。

She's also co-author, along with her sister Carole, of the award-winning Doubleday book Spoonbread and Strawberry Wine: Recipes and Reminiscences of a Family.

她拥有并经营 Spoonbread Catering,这是 New York 最大的 African American 所有的 catering 公司;她还经营备受好评的餐厅 Miss Mamie's Spoonbread Too。

She owns and operates Spoonbread Catering, New York's largest African American-owned catering company, and the acclaimed restaurant Miss Mamie's Spoonbread Too.

Norma Jean 很热情地邀请我去她在 Harlem 的餐厅,在那里我问她,style 对她来说意味着什么。

Norma Jean graciously invited me up to her restaurant in Harlem, where I asked her what style means to her.
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我父亲以前常跟我说,他从 Alabama 出来,搬到 New Jersey 的 Newark 时,那些住在最简陋小棚屋里的人,到了星期天也会穿着熨得平平整整的衣服,鞋子擦得锃亮地走出来。

My father used to tell me when he came out of Alabama and moved to Newark, New Jersey, that people living in the most modest shacks on Sunday would come out with their clothes pressed, their shoes polished.

哪怕他们走的是土路,他们也时髦得惊人。

Even if they were walking on dirt roads, they were spectacularly stylish.

你去教堂的时候,会戴上帽子,穿上你星期天最好的衣服,而星期六一整天你都在准备这些。

When you went to church, you had your hat, you had your Sunday best, and you spent Saturday getting that together.

所以 style 在我们的社群里一直都很重要。

So style has always been important in our community.

在过去的年代,我们也许没有自由,但我们如何呈现自己、穿什么衣服,对于表达我们是谁来说非常重要。

We might not have had our freedom in the old days, but how we presented ourselves and what we wore was very important in saying who we were.

所以,style 是 Black community 里非常珍贵的一部分。我觉得这也是为什么我们社区里走出了这么多了不起的 designers 和 models,因为我们一直都有教堂里的 fashion shows。

So style was a precious part of the Black community, and I think that's why we've had so many wonderful designers and models coming out of our communities, because we always had church fashion shows.

在我们还没能登上 7th Avenue 之前,我们就已经在 styling 了。

Before we could be on 7th Avenue, we were still styling.
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刚才那位是 Norma Jean Darden。

That was Norma Jean Darden.

本期 The Moth Radio Hour 到这里就结束了。

That's it for this episode of The Moth Radio Hour.

我希望不管你今天穿的是什么,你都感觉自己价值百万,因为你看起来真的就是这样。

I hope that whatever you're wearing today, you feel like a million bucks, because you sure look like it.

感谢本期所有讲述者和我们分享故事,也谢谢你们的收听。

Thank you to all of our storytellers in this episode for sharing with us, and to you for listening.

希望下次你还能继续加入我们。

We hope you'll join us next time.
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本期 The Moth Radio Hour 由我,Jay Allison,Catherine Burns,以及 Chloé Salmon 共同制作,Chloé Salmon 也主持了这期节目。

This episode of The Moth Radio Hour was produced by me, Jay Allison, Catherine Burns and Chloé Salmon, who also hosted this show.

联合制作人是 Vicki Merrick,助理制作人是 Emily Couch。

Co-producer is Vicki Merrick, associate producer Emily Couch.

这些故事由 Jenifer Hixson 导演。

The stories were directed by Jenifer Hixson.

The Moth 的其他领导团队成员包括 Sarah Haberman、Meg Bowles、Kate Tellers、Jennifer Birmingham、Marina Klutse、Suzanne Rust、Brandon Grant、Inga Glodowski、Sarah Jane Johnson,以及 Aldi Kaza。

The rest of The Moth's leadership team includes Sarah Haberman, Meg Bowles, Kate Tellers, Jennifer Birmingham, Marina Klutse, Suzanne Rust, Brandon Grant, Inga Glodowski, Sarah Jane Johnson, and Aldi Kaza.

The Moth 感谢 Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation 对 The Moth Global Community Program 的支持。

The Moth would like to thank the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for their support of The Moth's Global Community Program.

Moth 的故事都是真实的,以讲述者的记忆和确认作为依据。

Moth stories are true as remembered and affirmed by the storytellers.

我们的主题音乐来自 The Drift。

Our theme music is by The Drift.

本小时节目中的其他音乐来自 Epidemic Sound、Dickey Nolan 和 Blue Dot Sessions。

Other music in this hour is from Epidemic Sound, Dickey Nolan and Blue Dot Sessions.

Podcast 音乐制作支持来自 Davy Sumner。

Podcast music production support from Davy Sumner.

我们获得了 National Endowment for the Arts 的资助。

We receive funding from the National Endowment for the Arts.

The Moth Radio Hour 由位于 Massachusetts 州 Woods Hole 的 Atlantic Public Media 制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

特别感谢我们在 Audacy 的朋友们,包括执行制作人 Leah Reis-Dennis。

Special thanks to our friends at Audacy, including executive producer Leah Reis-Dennis.

想了解更多关于我们 podcast 的信息,想知道如何向我们投稿你自己的故事,或者了解其他内容,请访问我们的网站 themoth.org。

For more about our podcast, for information on pitching us your own story, and everything else, go to our website, themoth.org.
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The Moth。

The Moth.