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The Agenda: Can dinner theatre win over a generation that's choosing to stay in?

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这里是 Hongbin Jeong 带来的《Best of Your Way Home》节目精选。

Best of Your Way Home with Hongbin Jeong.

不同世代,有不同的用钱习惯,也有不同的优先顺序。

Different generations, different money habits, different priorities.

这里是《The Agenda》,只在 Money FM 八十九点三。

It's The Agenda, only on Money FM 89.3.
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好,今天下午我们的录音室里可真是又热闹又忙。

All right, we have a very loud and busy studio here this afternoon.

欢迎收听《The Agenda》,我是 Hongbin Jeong。

Welcome to The Agenda, I'm Hongbin Jeong.

以前呢,出去玩一晚其实很简单。

Now, a night out used to be very simple.

吃个晚饭,也许再看场电影或者演出,这一天就算圆满结束了。

You grab dinner, maybe catch a movie or show, and call it a day.

但现在的年轻人,好像在寻找更多一点的东西。

But younger people today seem to be looking for something more.

随着越来越多人选择待在家里,商家现在发现,自己要竞争的已经不只是彼此,还有家本身带来的舒适和便利。

As more choose to stay home, businesses are finding themselves competing not just with one another, but with the comfort and convenience of home itself.

有一部作品就在验证这个理论,它就是《Choo's Masquerade Party》。这是一场沉浸式喜剧晚餐剧场,观众不只是看着故事展开,而是真的会成为故事的一部分。

One production putting that theory to the test is Choo's Masquerade Party, an immersive comedy dinner theatre where audiences don't just watch the story unfold, they become part of it.

它把现场剧场、互动式用餐,还有满满的家庭 drama 融合在一起,也带出了一个更大的问题:以体验为主导的娱乐方式,会不会正在成为人们夜生活的新模板。

Blending live theatre, interactive dining, and a healthy dose of family drama, it raises a bigger question about whether experience-led entertainment is becoming the new blueprint for a night out.

所以,到底是什么会让 Gen Z 和 millennials 愿意出门呢?

So what actually gets Gen Zs and millennials to head out?

好吃的东西就够了吗,还是说现在大家付费买的,是那些在家里根本没法复制的体验?

Is good food enough, or are people now paying for experiences they simply can't recreate at home?

今天来到我们录音室的,有 Dream Academy 的执行制作人兼导演 Selena Tan,和她一起的还有资深演员、也是业界代表人物 Sebastian Tan 和 Vernetta Lopez。

Well, joining us here in the studio today is Dream Academy's executive producer and director Selena Tan, and alongside her are acting veterans and icons Sebastian Tan and Vernetta Lopez.

你们好,欢迎来到录音室!

Hello, welcome to the studio!
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你们好!

Hello!
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F21:31

我现在——我现在超级紧张。

Well, I have— I am super nervous at the moment.

今天录音室里坐着三位传奇人物,新加坡娱乐圈的 icon 和 legend。

I have three legends here in the studio today, icons and legends of Singapore's entertainment industry.

我真的很高兴你们今天来到这里。

I'm so glad you guys are here with us.
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她用了那个 L 字。

She used the L word.
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我知道,现在我也紧张了。

I know, now I'm nervous.
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F21:49

我也是。

Me too.

好,我想先从一个问题开始问问在座各位,也许我们先从 Selena 开始。

All right, I just want to start off by asking all of you here, maybe we can start off with Selena.
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当然。

Sure.
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呃,回头看你这么精彩的职业生涯,到目前为止,你怎么看这一路走来的历程?对你来说,最有成就感、最值得回味的时刻是什么?

Uh, looking back on your amazing careers, right, what do you think of the journey so far and what has been the most rewarding moment for you?
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哇,这问题可大了。

Wow, that's a big one.

首先,各位,我现在都已经在回头看了。

First of all, I'm looking back, guys.

我已经开始回顾了。

I'm looking back already.

没有啦,不过说真的,我现在每天都跟这些人一起排练,所以我其实很少花时间回头看,因为我一直都在努力往前看,筹划下一部作品。

No, but actually the truth is I go to rehearsals every day now with these people, and I spend very little time looking back because I'm constantly trying to look forward and plan the next show.

她昨天连头发换了颜色我都没发现。

I didn't even notice her hair changed colour yesterday.

她当时就在我面前,就贴着我的脸排练。

She was there in front of me rehearsing in my face.
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对,然后她刚刚还在那儿说,等一下。

Yeah, and she's like just now going, wait.
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哪个颜色,你的头发吗?

Which colour, your hair?

所以,我的意思是,很明显,我对事情发展成这样非常骄傲,也非常开心。

So, I mean, I'm very obviously proud and pleased with how, you know, things have gone.

我觉得吧,本来也可能会糟糕得多。

They could have gone, I guess, much worse.

而且我觉得关键是,我从来没有真的坐下来,认真规划过我想往哪里走。

And I think the thing is that I've never really sort of like sat down and like had a game plan for like where I want to go.

很多事情其实都是靠纯粹的运气,还有我身边的朋友、身边的人,以及那些很有才华、一路和我一起走过来的人,大家凑在一起,才让我能够去做有创造力的事。

A lot of it has been because of sheer luck and like the friends and the people around me and, and all the talented people around me that have come together with me to allow me to be able to be creative.

所以比如说,我们这次做这个演出,不是说我们以前没做过 dinner theatre,但跟这一群人一起,你知道的,我们真的可以尽情去做梦,把东西做得更奇幻、更夸张,不管我们端上台的是什么。

So for instance, when we're doing this particular show, it's not that we haven't done a dinner theatre before, but with this group of people, you know, we can really sort of dream and make more fantastical, be more outrageous with whatever we put on.

所以说到 Masquerade Party,它算是第二部,也是去年 Divorce Party 的续篇——你有来我们的 Divorce Party 吗?

So with the Masquerade Party, which is like the second part, the follow-up to last year's Divorce Party—were you at our Divorce Party?
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没有。

No.
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F13:21

没有吗?

No?
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那你可不知道你错过了什么!

You don't know what you missed!

那是一场超精彩的离婚派对,然后才发展到现在这场 Masquerade Party,里面藏了满满的秘密。

It was a great divorce that led to now a whole lot of secrets being concealed at the Masquerade Party.

各种秘密都会被揭开。

Secrets coming out.
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对。

Yeah.
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很好玩,因为我们可以一起把这些点子想出来,而且我还是跟我的朋友们一起做。

It's fun because we get to dream up these things and I get to do it with my friends.
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对。

Right.

那 Vernetta,你呢?

Well, Vernetta, what about you?

我是说,回头看看你这么精彩的职业生涯——

I mean, looking back at your amazing career—
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我也正在回头看呢!

I'm looking back too!
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你觉得对你来说,最难忘的是什么?

What do you think has been most memorable for you?
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太多了,对吧?

So many things, right?

我是说,你想想看,能成为 Singapore 第一部英语情景喜剧的一员。

I mean, you think about being part of the first English sitcom of Singapore.
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哦,对啊。

Oh yeah.
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还拿过奖。

Being an award winner.

天哪 lah,mah!

Jeez lah, mah!

而且不只是喜剧,连戏剧类也拿过。

For comedy as well as for drama.

我觉得还有做 theatre、做电视,还有在电影里演那种小小小的角色。

I think doing theatre, TV, and tiny, tiny parts in movies.

我是说,这听起来很不规律,但又都还是在 entertainment 这个范畴里面,而这正是我热爱的东西。

I mean, that's like, you know, something which is so irregular, but yet within the genre of entertainment, which is what I love.

我想,这也有点像我当初是怎么入行的。

I guess it's like how I joined the business in the first place.

我那时候完全不知道自己这辈子想做什么。

I had no idea what I wanted to do in my life.

我只知道 mass comm 的选择最多样,所以我就这样一路摸索过去了。

All I know is that mass comm was the best variety of things, and so I found my way that way.

然后我想,能够回头看看,然后说一句,嘿,还不赖啦——我不能像这里有些人那样说自己跟 Jennifer Lopez 合作过,不过我可是跟 Vanessa Lopez 合作过。

And I guess to be able to look back and say, hey, not bad lah, is— I can't say I work with Jennifer Lopez like somebody here, but I work with Vanessa Lopez.
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好好好,今天我唯一在乎的 Lopez 就是你。

Okay, okay, you're the only Lopez I care about today.
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Sebastian,那你呢?

Sebastian, what about you?
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哦,回头看,大概是十年前吧。

Oh, looking back, which is about 10 years ago.
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五年里发生了这么多事。

So much in 5 years.
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对对,五年。

Yeah, yeah, 5 years.

我还能说什么呢?

What can I say?

theatre 一直都是我所谓职业生涯的主心骨。

Theatre has always been the mainstay of my so-called career.
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对。

Yeah.

很辉煌。

Illustrious.
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对对,兄弟。

Yeah, yeah, man.

对对对。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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你在舞台上真的很有统治力。

You are a powerhouse on the stage.
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哦,真的啊?

Oh, seriously?
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F14:48

拜托。

Come on.

Broadway Beng,你刚演完。

Broadway Beng, you just finished.

对啊,真的是一部超精彩的演出。

Yeah, what an amazing show.
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对。

Yeah.

好吧,这可是你们说的啊。

Okay, so they said it.

Broadway Beng 是我职业生涯中的高光时刻之一。

Broadway Beng is one of the highlights of my career.

呃,Miss Saigon,呃,还有在 UK 演出,也是另一个高光时刻。

Uh, Miss Saigon, uh, performing in the UK is another highlight.

当然,还有跟这两位很棒的女士一起演出。

And of course, performing with these 2 wonderful ladies.

跟她们一起工作。

Working with them.

这不是我们第一次合作了。

This is not the first time we worked together.

她们是 Selena Tan 和 Bernadette Belle Wong。

It's Selena Tan and Bernadette Belle Wong.

能够再次回来跟她们一起合作,真的很棒。

It's great to be back working with them again.

对,还有这个全新的沉浸式 dinner experience、theatre experience。

Yeah, and this new immersive dinner experience, theatre experience.
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而且在这个演出里,他还是以女性角色的身份独挑大梁。

For which he holds court as a she.
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对。

Yes.
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F35:20

他很会控场。

He holds the court.
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F45:21

我的另一个人格。

My alter ego.
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我得说一句,Sebastian Tan 是我见过最棒的大家长。

Can I just say, Sebastian Tan is the best matriarch I've ever seen.

我见过最棒的。

I've ever met.
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我是说,你们听起来也是一个超强组合。

I mean, you guys sound like a power team as well.

你提到这不是你们第一次合作了,不过这次重新以一个团队聚在一起,感觉怎么样?

You mentioned that this is not the first time you guys are working together, but how does it feel coming back together as one team?
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哦,你得猜猜看,我们三个第一次一起工作是在哪里。

Oh, you have to guess where the three of us worked together first.
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F15:41

对,对。

Yeah, yeah.
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我们三个人真正一起合作,其实只有那一次——我是说,我们各自也有单独合作过。

There was only one time that the three of us—I mean, we've worked together separately.
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F15:45

Selena 和我一起做过 Under One Roof。

Selena and I on Under One Roof.

Sebastian 和我一起做过 Hansel and Gretel。

Sebastian and I on Hansel and Gretel.

不过有一个项目,是我们三个人一起做的——而且说来也巧,差不多也快到一个周年纪念了,可以这么说。

But there was one project where the three of us—and funny enough, we're coming up on an anniversary, so to speak.
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对。

Yeah.
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F15:54

我们当时一起做了一个挺大的项目。

We worked together on a pretty big project.

对。

Yeah.
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F35:57

是面向整个国家的。

For the entire country.
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F15:58

对。

Yeah.
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F35:58

就是 National Day Parade!

And it was the National Day Parade!
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那是什么时候来着?

When was it?

哪一年?

What year?

我完全不知道。

I have no idea.
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F36:05

是二零一三年。

It was 2013.
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F16:06

顺便说一下,Selena 当时是导演。

And Selena was directing it, by the way.
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对,她当时拿着麦克风。

Yeah, she was holding the mic.

然后他们两个是主持人。

And they were the hosts.

对,他们特别搞笑。

Yeah, they were very funny.

她还跟 Merlion 讲话。

She spoke to the Merlion.
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是的,我有。

I did.

对,我有。

I did.
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我当时真的……

I was really.
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你没吐我身上。

You didn't vomit on me.
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F46:18

对。

Yeah.
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不是,你没吐到我身上吧?

No, you didn't vomit on me, did you?
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好。

Okay.

我是说,我们现在也正在 TikTok Live 上跟听众一起直播。

I mean, we're currently on TikTok Live as well for our listeners.

如果你也想在 TikTok 上加入我们,也可以。

If you want to join us on TikTok, do so as well.

你们可以看到这里这些可爱的面孔。

You can see the lovely faces here.

我是说,Adriel 正在说,"OMG,我的童年简直是……"

I mean, Adriel is saying, "OMG, my childhood is..."

光是看到你们三位都在录音室里。

Just seeing all three of you here in the studio.

现在,Selena,我想问你一个问题。

Now, Selena, I want to ask you a question.

我是说,你刚刚提到了 The Divorce Party,对吧?

I mean, you mentioned The Divorce Party, right?

那是去年一部非常成功的作品。

It was last year's very successful show.

是什么启发你,怎么说呢,去想出这个续作的?

What inspired you to, you know, come up with the sequel?
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哦,这很容易。

Oh, it was very easy.

因为还有很多悬而未决的线头,还没有收好。

There were many loose ends that were untied, that hadn't been tied up.

所以其实,整个故事一开始就是按三部曲来构思的。

So actually, the whole thing is conceived as a trilogy.

所以我一直都知道,这个故事会有三个部分,而且一切都围绕着这个家族女主人 Penny 展开。

So I've always known that there were three parts to this story, and it all centers around the matriarch, Penny.

也就是 Penelope Lee,由 Sebastian Tan 饰演。

Penelope Lee, played by Sebastian Tan.

她是这个家的女主人,藏着非常多秘密,心里有很多不可告人的事。

And she's a matriarch who has a whole lot of secrets, many skeletons in her closet.

然后随着一场场派对继续下去,这些秘密会慢慢被揭开,不过也可以说,她反而因此变得更完整了。

And slowly, as the parties go on, they unravel, but she becomes more complete for it, shall we say?
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对,绝对是这样。

Yes, absolutely.
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她变得更好了,更张扬,更快乐,什么都更好了。

Better for it, like more flamboyant, happier, everything.
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F17:24

一个女人梦想成真?

A woman's dream come true?
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F37:25

完整了,对。

Complete, yeah.

一种完整感?

Completeness?
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F17:27

对。

Yeah.
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F37:28

所以我们有 The Divorce Party,而今年我们带来的是 The Masquerade Party,我们还加入了新角色。

So we've got The Divorce Party, and this year we've got The Masquerade Party, and we've introduced new characters.

所以 Vern 作为一个新角色登场了。

So Vern comes on as a new character.

这个我可不能真的剧透,因为你们得买票来看。

And I can't really expose that because you have to buy the ticket to come and watch it.
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F17:41

哦,对,有点像。

Oh yeah, kind of.
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F37:43

对,真的有。

Yes, it actually does.
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F17:44

请用你的 SG Culture Pass 来买票。

Please use your SG Culture Pass to buy the ticket.
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F37:47

哦,S,就是 Selena 的那个 S。

Oh, S as in Selena.
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F17:49

不过要记住真正的名字,C-H-O-O,读作 Choo。

But remember the true name, C-H-O-O, it's Choo.

那是 Henny 的姓,对吧?

That's the name of Henny's family, right?

所以是 Choo's Masquerade,然后就看 Choo 要不要买票来咯。

So Choo's Masquerade, and it's up to Choo to buy the ticket and come.

不好意思,我非讲这个梗不可。

I'm sorry, I had to do that.
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F38:02

不好意思。

I'm sorry.

你是不是想这个想了很久?

Were you thinking a long time about it?

对,对。

Yes, yes.
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F18:05

我就知道。

I knew it.
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F28:07

那 Sebastian 和 Vernetta 呢?

Well, what about Sebastian and Vernetta?

我是说,你们对于自己成为这个 Choo's masquerade party 的一部分,感觉怎么样?

I mean, how do you guys feel being part of this Choo's masquerade party?
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F18:13

嗯,我是说,你们在这方面都很有经验。

Well, I mean, you're experienced in this.

如果我没记错的话,我好像没做过 dinner theatre。

I don't think I've done dinner theatre, if I can remember.

我觉得没有。

I don't think so.
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F48:19

坦白说,《The Divorce Party》是我第一次——我都入行三十多年了——第一次有 dinner theatre 的经验。

Frankly, The Divorce Party was my first ever— after being in the business for more than 30 years— my first ever dinner theatre experience.
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F18:26

我想这也会是我的第一次。

This will be my first, I think.
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F48:28

你的第一次,对吧?

Your first, right?
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F38:28

我们喜欢新手。

We love virgins.
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F18:31

哎哟,你好啊。

Well, hello.
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F48:32

我得说,虽然我当时还在适应——你知道的,我得习惯观众也会参与进来这件事。

And I have to say, while I'm still trying to— I had to get used to it, you know, to have the audience involved as well.
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F18:40

不过去年真的玩得很开心,对吧?

But it was a blast last year, right?

我是说,观众的体验到底是什么样的?

I mean, what is the audience experience?
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F48:42

我玩得特别开心。

I had a lot of fun.

我玩得特别开心,这也是我这次会回来的另一个原因,除了,嗯,能跟另外这两位女士一起合作。

I had a lot of fun, which is another reason why I'm back, besides, you know, working with these two other ladies.
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F18:51

观众的体验是什么样?

What is the audience experience?

我的意思是,单就观众来说,对吧?

I mean, just for the audiences, right?

他们在 dinner theatre 这种体验里,会经历些什么?

What do they go through in a dinner theatre experience?
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F38:58

其实我觉得,这真的要看你是谁、你当天的状态在哪里,还有你想用什么方式进入这个体验。

Actually, I think, you know, it really depends on who you are and where you are that day and how you want to come into it.

有些人一进来就会说,哇,多跟我说一点!

There are some people who come in and they're like, "Wah, tell me more!"
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F49:06

我想成为故事的一部分!

I want to be part of the story!
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F19:08

我想成为这场drama的一部分。

I want to be part of the drama.
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F49:09

对。

Yeah.
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F39:10

然后他们就会参与进来,跟你互动。

And then they take part and they are interacting with you.

也有一些人就会觉得,哦,好吧,你知道,我就放松一下。

And then there are some who are just like, okay, you know, I'm going to chill.

我就喝喝我的酒,然后看看在发生什么,往后一靠。

I'm going to have my wine and, you know, I'm going to see what's happening and sit back.

但两种方式其实都行,因为你知道,这个嘛,你就想象你去参加一个 dinner party。

But it works both ways because, you know, it's a, you know, imagine you go for a dinner party.

比如说,拿去年的 divorce party 来举例,好吗?

Let's say you take last year's divorce party, right?

它的设置就像一场婚宴,对吧?

It's set up like a wedding dinner, right?

所以,你知道,你会把你自己的个性带进这个婚宴里。

So, you know, you bring your own personality to the wedding dinner.

如果你是那种就坐在那里,只跟旁边的人聊天的人,这也完全没问题。

If you're the kind who's just going to sit there and just talk to the person next to you, that works too.

如果你是那种会说,哦,auntie,好久不见你了,这也可以。

If you're the one who was like, "Oh, auntie, never so long, never see you," that works too.
F4
F49:38

对。

Yeah.

所以别被这个吓到。

So don't be intimidated by this.

不会不会,就是一种沉浸式体验。

No, no, just immersive experience.
F1
F19:41

而且过程中也会有人引导你。

You'll be guided along as well.
F2
F29:43

不过我很好奇,你们是有一套会遵循的 script,还是说很多都是现场即兴发挥?

But I'm very curious, is there a script that you guys follow, or is it a lot of ad-libs?

因为你刚刚提到,观众是可以互动、还能加进他们自己的 drama,对吧?

Because you're mentioning that, you know, audiences can interact and add in their own drama, right?

那你们具体是怎么做的?

So how do you go about that?
F3
F39:57

哦,是这样,会有一个主线 script,同时也有一部分是没有写死的。

Oh, well, there is a main script, and then there is an unscripted part as well.

好,所以一旦他们进入角色,也大概知道,怎么说呢,自己的角色是谁、跟谁是朋友、跟谁不是朋友、在对谁隐瞒秘密、又在跟谁串通,那剩下那部分没有写死的内容,他们就会自己接过去,然后即兴发挥。

Okay, so once they are in their characters and they kind of know, you know, who their characters are, who they're friends with, who they're not friends with, who they're hiding secrets from, who they are colluding with, then the rest of it, which is unscripted, you know, they sort of take it on and they improvise themselves.

有时候他们会走到某个观众身边,跟对方分享一个秘密,那就是只属于那一刻、只属于他们两个人的瞬间。

And sometimes they'll go to an audience member and they might share a secret with them, and that's just that moment, just the two of them, you know.

就是这样,就只是这么小、这么细微的一个瞬间。

And it's just that, it's just that small.

而且这个瞬间甚至不一定真的会发展成什么,当然也可能到最后会发展成很大的事,但我们也不知道。

And it doesn't even have to really, you know, amount to something, or it might amount to, like, something big at the end, but we don't know.

但那种感觉就是,你会觉得——今天这场演出,就是唯一一场这样的演出。

But it's just a feeling that you're in—today's performance is the only performance like this.

你以后再也不会看到一场一模一样的演出。

You'll never get another performance like that.
F1
F110:39

我觉得每个晚上都会不一样。

Every night will be different, I think.
F2
F210:40

会非常不一样。

Very different.

我都想象不出来。

I can't imagine.
F1
F110:41

不过会有一些时候,现场观众会拿到一些东西要读出来。

But there will be moments where an audience member will be given something to read.

所以这没关系。

So that's okay.

你不用当场现想。

You don't have to think of something on the spot.

你知道,别担心。

You know, don't worry.
F3
F310:50

我们不想让任何人觉得不自在。

We don't want to put anybody ill at ease.
F1
F110:54

对。

Yes.
F2
F210:55

不过这个有结局吗?

But is there like a conclusion?
F3
F310:56

哦,有。

Oh, yes.
F2
F210:57

是大团圆结局吗?

A happy ending?
F1
F110:58

哦,是的。

Oh, yes.

会有某种结局的。

There's some kind of ending.
F4
F411:01

有很多种结局。

There's many endings.
F3
F311:03

有很多种结局。

There are many endings.

我喜欢各种结局。

I love endings.
F2
F211:07

我很感兴趣。

I'm very interested.
F3
F311:09

你一定得来。

You have to come.
F2
F211:09

我要报名。

I'm going to sign up.

这个采访一结束,我就去买票。

I'm going to buy the tickets now after this interview.
F3
F311:14

我们给你打折。

We'll give you a discount.
F2
F211:14

好。

Yes.

那 Vernetta,作为一位表演者,对吧,而且你也在这个行业很多年了,你有没有注意到,观众现在是不是更愿意参与进来,而不是只是坐着看?

Well, Vernetta, as a performer, right, who's been in the industry for decades, have you noticed audiences, you know, becoming more willing to participate rather than simply sit back and watch?

你觉得这类体验,到底是什么在吸引年轻观众?

What about these experiences do you think entices the younger audience?

因为我们看到很多报道都在说,年轻一代越来越倾向于待在家里。

Because we're seeing a lot of reports where younger generations are opting to stay home.
F1
F111:36

对,我有点能看到两面,因为我接触到不同年龄层的、你知道,不同视角,对吧?

Yeah, I kind of get two sides because I've got different, you know, perspectives of different age groups, right?

不过这两边其实都是年轻人,其中一边就是那种喜欢出去玩、喜欢派对的类型。

But they're both young groups, and one of them is like the party type.

那种爱派对的群体还是存在的,但另一边就是那些想回家,或者跟朋友见面玩桌游的人。

That party group still exists, but then the other side are the ones who want to go home or meet with friends and play board games.

我的意思是,真的有那种俱乐部,这些朋友会聚在一起,有个挑战,然后他们每个周末都这么玩。

I mean, literally, it's a club where these friends come together and there's a challenge, and they do that every weekend.

所以我觉得现在发生的事,跟商场在变化是一样的,明白吧?

And so I think what's happening is the same way the malls are changing, okay?

商场现在不再那么只是为了购物、吃东西、买东西了,而是更强调体验。

The malls, not so much about shopping and eating and buying things, it's about experiences.

我觉得 Funan 里面好像还有一条自行车道,你知道吗?

I think they have a bicycle track inside Funan, you know?
F3
F312:10

对。

Yeah.
F1
F112:11

我的意思是,你知道,所以我觉得很多实体场所现在都在变成大家聚在一起体验一些东西的地方。

I mean, you know, so I think a lot of brick-and-mortar places are becoming places where you gather together to experience something.

我觉得现在的年轻人,可能会更懂得去追求体验。

The young ones, I think, are probably a bit more clued in to experiencing things now.

我不知道你是不是这样啦,但我年轻的时候真的很懵,你懂我意思吧?

I don't know about you, but I was very blur when I was young, you know what I mean?
F3
F312:25

你那时候也没什么钱。

You also had no money.
F1
F112:26

这倒是真的。

That's true.

我不知道,我不知道现在的年轻人是不是有多很多钱,不过就是,你知道——

I don't know, I don't know whether the young ones have a lot more money now, but it's, you know—
F3
F312:31

但他们有 Culture Pass。

But they have Culture Pass.
F1
F112:32

对,他们有,还有 CDC vouchers。

Right, they do, and CDC vouchers.

所以,你知道,他们负担得起,他们可以出去玩。

So, you know, they can handle it, they can go out there.

但更像是一种感觉吧,就是他们现在想尽可能从生活里获得更多。

But it's a kind of a feeling that they want to have as much out of life as possible now.

而且我觉得有朋友一起之类的,所以他们其实不太像我们以前那样去 party。

And I think with friends and all that, so they don't really go to like how we used to party.

对,我敢说问题是,我们以前到底是怎么 party 的,对吧?

Yeah, I'm sure the question is, how did we party, right?

对,从来没有,从来没有。

Yeah, never, never.

我们以前可是乖宝宝。

We were angels.
F2
F212:52

好,我们等一下会聊到你们二十几岁的时候,不过在那之前,Sebastian,你觉得现在的年轻人是不是已经不只是为食物或娱乐买单,而是在为他们能够参与其中的故事买单?

Well, we'll dive into when you guys were in your 20s in just a bit, but before we get there, Sebastian, do you think younger people today are no longer, you know, just paying for food or entertainment but for the stories that they can be part of?
F4
F413:07

对,我觉得他们想要更多吧,我想。

Yeah, I think they want more, I guess, you know.

我猜是因为他们接触到的东西更多了,你知道,有 internet,还有各种东西,你知道,我觉得,对,像 microdramas。

I guess because they're exposed to more, you know, with the internet. You know, with everything, you know, I think, yeah, microdramas.
F1
F113:16

对,我觉得他们想通过任何能让他们投入灵魂的东西,去代入式地体验人生。

Yeah, I think they want to live vicariously through anything they can get their, their soul on.
F3
F313:20

对,而且在我们的 party 里,他们是真的可以参与进去。

Yeah, and at our party they can actually get into it.

我们就像一个巨大的桌游。

We're like a giant board game.
F1
F113:25

是真的,你知道,是真的。

It's true, you know, it's true.
F3
F313:27

他们可以移动自己的棋子。

They can move their pieces around.
F1
F113:29

这么说吧,如果你想体验那种有戏剧性、有指控、有冲突、有哭、有笑,哈哈,还有倒吸一口气的感觉,但又不会被现实生活里真正的狗血 drama 影响到你——

Put it this way, if you want to experience something where you want drama and, oh, accusations, conflict and crying and laughter, haha, and gasping, but without the actual real drama of real life affecting you?

那就来这个 party 吧,因为你会很享受这场大师课。

Come to this party because you'll enjoy that masterclass.
F2
F213:48

短短几秒钟,情绪可真够满的。

That was a lot of emotion in just a few seconds.
F1
F113:51

你在那里会得到很多。

You're gonna get a lot there.
F4
F413:52

如果你想在那两个小时里当一回演员或女演员,对,对。

If you want to be an actor or an actress for just that two hours, yeah, yeah.
F2
F213:56

对,确实是这样。

Yeah, it's true.

这是个很好的体验。

It's a good experience.
F4
F413:58

对,给外面所有年轻人听的,你们想试试演戏吗?

Yeah, for all the young people out there, you want to try acting?

你们想跟老将和 lao jiao 一起试试演戏吗?

You want to try acting with veterans and lao jiao?

对,对,对。

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

来跟我们一起演。

Come and act with us.
F2
F214:08

好,那我想把话题拉回到你们二十几岁的时候。

All right, so I want to bring it back to when you guys were in your 20s.

什么会让一次夜晚出门变得难忘?

What made a night out memorable?
F1
F114:16

这是给成年人看的吗?

Is this show for adults?
F3
F314:17

你确定吗?

Are you sure?
F2
F214:18

保持 PG-13。

Keep it PG-13.
F1
F114:21

什么叫夜晚出门?

What was a night out?

Selena,对你来说,夜晚出门是怎样的?

Selena, what was a night out for you?
F3
F314:24

哦,二十多岁的时候,我们当然会出去玩夜生活。

Oh, 20s, we had nights out.

我都不知道我妈让不让我出去。

I don't know whether my mother let me out.
F1
F114:27

我们可没有经历过 COVID,好吧?

We didn't go through COVID, okay?

你知道 COVID 那一代人,也就是那些二十来岁的年轻人,他们真的很惨。

You know the COVID generation, the, the 20-year-olds, they really suffered.

他们有很长一段时间都没法出门。

They didn't get to go out for about how many—a long time.
F4
F414:35

好,我先说。

Okay, I start first.

好。

Okay.

我二十多岁的时候,我的目标就是把 Singapore 里所有的 club 都去一遍。

In my 20s, my ambition was to go to every single club there is in Singapore.
F1
F114:42

哇!

Wow!
F4
F414:43

对啊。

Yeah.
F1
F114:44

真的?

Seriously?
F4
F414:44

那时候泡 club 还是年轻人很流行的事。

When clubbing was still a thing for the young people.

而且我听说现在年轻人都不去 club 了,对吧?

And I heard nowadays the young people don't go to clubs anymore, right?
F1
F114:50

本来就没有那么多 club。

There are not that many clubs in the first place.
F4
F414:52

我那个年代,他们甚至不叫它 club。

At my time, they don't even call it clubs.

他们叫它 disco。

They call it disco.
F1
F114:54

Disco。

Disco.

我年轻的时候,叫 function。

When I was younger, function.
F4
F414:58

功能。

Function.
F3
F314:58

对。

Yes.
F1
F114:58

哦,对。

Oh, yes.
F2
F215:00

不,不。

No, no.
F3
F315:00

茶舞。

Tea dance.
F4
F415:01

茶舞。

Tea dance.
F1
F115:02

跳舞。

Dance.
F4
F415:02

我一定是在那里见过你。

I must have met you there.

他们供应 Coca-Cola 和 7-Up,对吧?

They serve Coca-Cola and 7-Up, right?
F1
F115:06

因为派对要到下午4点才开始。

Because the party only started at 4 PM.

对。

Correct.

6点半结束。

Finished at 6:30.
F3
F315:09

其实,这对我们现在很不错。

It's very good for us now, actually.

我不介意下午4点半去参加派对。

I don't mind going to a party at 4:30.

对啊,真的。

Yeah, actually.
F1
F115:15

不过说实话,我20多岁的时候还不错。

But honestly, my 20s were okay.

我以前常去圣淘沙的 Sunset Bay 晃。

I used to hang out at Sunset Bay in Sentosa.

天啊,你知道吗,那时候我们有好多不同的俱乐部。

Oh my God, you know, then we've got like all the different clubs.

Zouk,当然了,还有你的 Studebaker's 之类的。

Zouk, of course, you know, your Studebaker's and all.

所以我的意思是,那时候就是跳舞。

So I mean, that was just dancing.

那就是我的有氧运动,你知道吧。

That was my aerobics, you know.

我就是这么保持身材的,你知道,有酒精。

That's how I get fit, you know, with alcohol.

我的意思是,那时候就是派对时间。

I mean, it was party time.

每天晚上都得出去见朋友,因为那就是大家该做的事,去酒吧、去俱乐部,你知道。

It was every evening you got to go out there and meet your friends because that was the thing to do, hang out in the bar, the club, you know.

而且那真的很有社区感。

And it was just such a community.

那就是我们的社区。

That was our community.

那就是我们的联结,你知道,和那些朋友——下班后,我们就在那儿。

That was our bonding, you know, with the friends that you just— after work, we're there.

我无所谓。

I don't care.

我们甚至都没做计划。

We didn't even make a plan.

我们只知道总会有人在那里。

We just know someone's going to be there.
F4
F415:50

因为那时候还没有社交媒体,对吧?

Because back then there's no social media, right?
F1
F115:52

没错。

That's true.
F3
F315:53

对啊,那时候根本没有这回事。

Yeah, there's no such thing.
F1
F115:55

连手提电话都很少。

Barely a handphone.

传呼机。

Pager.

对,传呼机。

Yeah, pager.
F4
F415:57

对,你还记得传呼机是什么吗?

Yeah, you remember what a pager is?
F3
F315:59

他们以前跟我说过,你知道吗,他们以前会把纸条留在那个,呃,Tangs 外面。

They used to tell me, you know, they used to leave notes at the, you know, outside Tangs.

对,就是那些石狮子,嘴巴那里,对吧?

Yeah, these lion statues and then the mouth there, right?

所以以前你想见朋友,对吧,然后你们都已经出门了,你就把一张纸条放进去。

So last time you want to meet your friend, right, then you're all out already, you put a note inside there.

所以你就写,像是,嗯,Sebastian,然后你写纸条说我会在 Scott's。

So you put like, okay, Sebastian, then you write the note that I'm going to be at Scott's.

你是认真的吗?

Are you serious?

然后 Sebastian,哦,我不知道她在哪里。

And then Sebastian, oh, I don't know where she is.

好,那他们就去那里拿。

Okay, then they go there and pick up.

真的吗?

Really?

为什么我不知道?

How come I don't know?
F1
F116:20

我从来没听说过这个。

I've never heard of this.
F4
F416:21

对,我也没听说过这个。

Yeah, I never heard of this also.

对。

Yeah.

我想你们那时候没有传呼机吧。

Well, I guess you didn't have a pager.
F3
F316:27

有啊,我有,我有。

Yeah, I did, I did.

后来,后来传呼机的电池没电了。

Later on, later on, pager, the battery died.
F2
F216:32

所以我想把话题拉回到 Choo's Masquerade Party,对吧?

So I want to bring it back to Choo's Masquerade Party, right?

Choo's Masquerade Party 要怎么变成这代人——Gen Z 和 millennials——20年、30年后还会记得的大事件呢?会让他们说,这是他们20多岁时最难忘的事?

How will Choo's Masquerade Party be the next big thing that this generation, the Gen Zs and millennials, remember, you know, 20, 30 years from now on and say this was their most memorable thing of their 20s?
F1
F116:52

互相抹泥巴。

Mud-slinging.

嗯,Penny/Sebastian 那双漂亮的腿。

Um, Penny/Sebastian's beautiful legs.
F4
F416:56

我以前跟 Penny Longlegs 演过戏。

I once acted with Penny Longlegs.
F3
F317:01

Penelope Longlegs 也是。

Penelope Longlegs too.
F1
F117:02

对啊,我不知道,怎么,怎么这会变成他们会记住的东西呢?

Yeah, I don't know, how, how will this be something that they will remember?
F3
F317:08

我想大多数人之所以觉得去年我们做 The Divorce Party 很难忘,是因为我们之前也有过餐饮娱乐,我是说 dinner theatre,比如我二十多岁的时候,我们做过像 Ah Gong's Birthday Party 这样的演出。

I think most of the people who, you know, found it memorable last year when we did The Divorce Party, because we've had dinner entertainment before, I mean dinner theatre before, like when I was in my 20s, uh, we did like Ah Gong's Birthday Party.

然后在那之后,有很长一段空档,没有再发生过那样的事。

And then after that, there was a long gap where nothing like that happened.

所以我们做《Divorce Party》的时候,大家都觉得,天哪,太新鲜了。

So when we did Divorce Party, it was like everybody was like, oh my God, it's so fresh.

就是,他们真正很喜欢的是那种近距离的感觉,还有 Penny 可以走到他们身边,跟他们讲话,然后对他们耳语,分享一个小秘密,或者你知道,偷他们的食物之类的,就是那种互动。

Like, and what they really appreciated was the closeness and the fact that Penny could come to them and like talk to them and, and whisper to them and like share a secret or like, you know, steal their food or, you know, it's just, it's just that kind of interaction.

或者他们的饮料。

Or their drink.

或者他们的饮料。

Or their drink.

然后他们还会有很多这种环节。

And then they have a lot of things.

或者比如我们会说,哦,你知道这首歌吗,什么什么的,然后他们就可以参与进来,或者他们还能上来跳一小段草裙舞。

Or like when we say, oh, you know what song, what, you know, and then they're able to contribute or they're able to come up and do a little hula dance.

那是去年的。

That was last year.

所以你知道,就是这种东西。

So, you know, it's just stuff like that.

有点像,嗯,今年这个有点像一场公司聚餐加舞会彻底失控了。

It's kind of like, um, this year's one, it's kind of like a, a company dinner and dance gone haywire.

是真的非常失控。

Like really haywire.
F1
F118:00

而且我相信每个人都会拿到一个面具,一个化装舞会面具。

And I believe everybody gets a mask, a masquerade mask.
F3
F318:02

哦对对对,没错没错,因为你可能会想把脸藏起来。

Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, because you might want to hide your face.
F1
F118:05

对。

Yes.
F3
F318:05

哦,在羞耻之后。

Oh, after the shame.
F1
F118:07

拜托,这又不是《Fifty Shades of Grey》。

Please, it's not Fifty Shades of Grey.

不是那种派对,好吗?

It's not that kind of party, okay?
F3
F318:10

不过会有羽毛。

But there are feathers.
F1
F118:12

对,对。

Yes, yes.

还有很多惊喜。

And lots of surprises.

但我觉得,如果你想放开一点,代入另一种人生、另一个身份,图个乐子,然后体验一下这种喜剧晚宴剧场——你知道,就像以前那种——我不知道现在 America 和 Australia 还有没有,那种中世纪晚宴。

But I think if you want to let loose and live vicariously in a different life, in a different shell, for fun, and just experience what comedy dinner theatre— you know, like how last time these— I don't know whether they still do it in America and Australia, those medieval dinners.

哦对对对。

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

就是会有穿着闪亮盔甲的骑士,还有女士们,还有女仆,你知道,给大家上菜。

So you have people in knights' shining armour and ladies, the maids, you know, serving food.
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我们也有一只神话里的脆脆生物。

We have a mythical crisp creature as well.

对,我们有。

Yes, we do.
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我们有。

We do.

会有一个神话生物登场。

Have a mythical creature coming.
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我是说,听起来像一场时装秀,对吧?

I mean, it sounds like a fashion show, right?
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对。

Yeah.

哇!

Wow!

听起来像是一场一生只有一次的派对。

It sounds like a party of a lifetime.

The Agenda 的时间到了。

We're out of time for The Agenda.

所以,这就是我,Hong Bin Jung,带来的这期 The Agenda 全部内容。

So that's all on The Agenda with me, Hong Bin Jung.
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