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1997年股东大会 · 巴菲特罕见并准确地预测了未来十年(1997-2007)股市的回报率

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M1
M10:00

大家好。

Good day.

我叫 John Svanovic,来自加拿大 Ottawa。顺便说一句,这跟 BRK 完全没什么关系。

My name is John Svanovic from Ottawa, Canada, which incidentally has nothing to do with BRK whatsoever.

我的问题更想回到关于 intellectual capital 的讨论,尤其也许是你们的 intellectual reserves。

My question more goes back to the discussion of intellectual capital, in particular perhaps your intellectual reserves.

说到《Security Analysis》,一九三四年的第一版里,Ben Graham 谈到了新时代理论的发展,以及它对证券行业造成的影响。

And so speaking of Security Analysis, the first edition in 1934, Ben Graham talked about the development of the new era theory and its consequences on the security business.

用今天的话来说,我们看到 Wall Street 的分析师在反复说很多同样的词和说法;再考虑到从十九世纪以来普通股的历史回报大约是百分之七,再结合统计学里的均值回归这个概念,你们不觉得我们现在正处在一个非常危险的时期吗?

In today's terms, we see a lot of the same words and phrases being repeated by analysts on Wall Street, and with the historical returns on common stocks dating back to the 1800s coming in at about 7%, pair that together with the concept of regression to the mean in statistics, do you not think that we're in a very dangerous period?
M2
M21:05

嗯,答案是,我们永远没法知道。

Well, the answer is we never know.

我的意思是,我们——就市场会怎么走这件事来说,我们——我不觉得 The Coca-Cola Company 处在什么危险的位置,你知道,不觉得这是个危险的时代,Gillette 不是,McDonald's 不是,Wells Fargo 也不是,诸如此类。

I mean, we— in terms of what markets will do, we— I don't think that The Coca-Cola Company is in a dangerous position, you know, a dangerous era, or Gillette is in a dangerous era, or McDonald's, or Wells Fargo, or whatever.

还有——或者 See's Candies,或者我们全资拥有的那些业务,Kirby,不管是哪一个。

But— or See's Candies, or the businesses we own in their entirety, Kirby, whatever it may be.

至于估值是不是太高,这就回到我们刚才说过、讨论过的那个问题了。

Whether valuations are too high gets back to the question that we said or we talked about earlier.

如果整体来看,这些企业还能持续拿到很高的净资产收益率,而且利率也维持在现在这个水平,那我们就不算处在一个高估的时期。

If for businesses in aggregate they keep earning very high returns on equity and interest rates stay where they are, we are not in an overvalued period.

如果最后发现这些回报是不可持续的,或者利率走高了,那——我们回头看就会说——那确实太高了。

If it turns out that these returns are not sustainable or interest rates go higher, it will— we will look back and say— it's too high.

那会被看作一个高点,至少在一段时间里会是这样。

Was a high point, but for at least for a while.

但我们对此没有什么判断,而且,而且说到底我们也不会真去想这个,因为我们不知道。

But we have no notion on that, and, and we really don't think about it, basically, we— because we don't know.

你知道,我们的工作是把注意力放在那些我们能知道、而且会带来实际影响的事情上。

You know, our job is to focus on things that we can know and that make a difference.

如果一件事既不会带来影响,或者我们根本不可能知道,那你知道,我们就把它放一边。

And if something can't make a difference or we can't know it, you know, we write that one off.

所以我们要找的是那些——

So we're looking for the ones—.
M3
M32:10

不过 Warren,你会预期像股票市场指数这类投资的平均回报,会比过去这几年在某种程度上回落一些吧?

But Warren, you would expect average returns from stock market index type investing to regress somewhat down from what they've been the last few years?
M2
M22:23

哦,我不认为未来十年持有 S&P 能得到的投资结果,会像过去十年那么好。

Oh, I don't think you'll get the investment result from owning the S&P over the next 10 years that you've gotten over the past 10 years.

如果有人愿意拿真金白银来赌这个,我会接。

I would— if someone wanted to put some real money on that, they would find a taker with me.

那种情况发生的可能性非常小。

That's very unlikely to happen.
M3
M32:44

这不是在预测股灾。

That's not predicting a crash.

这只是说,未来十年的确定性结果,几乎肯定会比——对,对——

It's just saying that the guaranteed result from the next 10 years is almost certain to be less than— Yeah, yeah.
M2
M22:53

——过去十年要低。

—that of the last.

这并不——我的意思是,这绝不是在做预测。

It wouldn't— I mean, this is in no way predictive.

我的意思是,如果未来十年股票平均每年回报百分之四,我们一点也不会觉得意外。

I mean, it wouldn't surprise us in the least if stocks average 4% a year, you know, for the next 10 years.

这不代表它们一定会这样,我们也不知道具体数字,但如果出现这样的结果,并不让人惊讶。

That doesn't mean they will, or we don't know the number, but that would not be a surprising outcome.

而且这对我们来说也不会特别困扰。

And it wouldn't bother us particularly either.

然后,嗯,Charlene,什么——不。

And, um, Charlene, what— no.