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2011年股东大会 · 巴菲特最喜欢的,依然还是保险业务

43 段 · 3 位说话人 · 原片 5:05
M1
M10:00

大家好,我是 Whitney Tilson,来自纽约的一位股东。

Hi, I'm Whitney Tilson, a shareholder from New York.

谢谢你在最近的年度致股东信里,提供了这么完整、这么清楚的 Berkshire 估值信息。

Thank you for including in your latest annual letter such complete and clear valuation information regarding Berkshire.

你提到,保险业务的经营利润没有计入你的盈利表里。我也知道你今天上午说过,二零一一年最多也就是个盈亏平衡的年份。但是考虑到年报里披露的情况——过去八年里,Berkshire 一共赚了 一百七十亿美元,而且没有任何一年亏钱——你是不是有点过于保守了?

You stated that the operating earnings of the insurance businesses are excluded from your earnings table, and I know you said this morning that 2011 is going to be a break-even year at best, but in light of the disclosure in the annual report that Berkshire earned $17 billion in profit over the last 8 years without a single money-losing year, are you being overly conservative?

你不觉得你们保险业务的内在价值,不应该只是它们的 float 吗?尤其是 GEICO,基于你今天上午谈到的那些原因。

Don't you think the intrinsic value of your insurance businesses is more than just their float, especially GEICO, for the reasons you discussed this morning?
M2
M20:37

对,Whitney,这点我同意,不过我——这个很难估计,你知道,未来二十年左右,正常情况下的承保利润大概能有多少。

Yeah, I'd agree with that, Whitney, but I— it's very hard to estimate, you know, what the normal underwriting profit might be expected— might be over the next 20 years or something of the sort.

所以我同意你的看法。

And so I agree with you.

我不知道这算不算过于保守。

I don't know whether I'd call it overly conservative.

但我会说,假设承保盈亏平衡,本身就是一种保守的做法。

I would say it's conservative to assume breakeven underwriting.

不过就像你刚才——我的意思是,如果我们再碰上一次 Katrina 这样的事件,或者类似的情况,先不说欧洲的冬季风暴之类的,我是说,我们今年在承保上可能会亏掉相当多的钱。

But as you was— I mean, if we had another Katrina or something of the sort, and forget about, you know, winter storms in Europe and all that, I mean, we could lose significant money in underwriting this year.

而且我们也预期,承保上会出现比较大的亏损,

And we expect to lose significant money in underwriting,

你知道,也许每五年一次,每十年一次,不管最终频率是多少。

you know, maybe every, every 5th year, every 10th year, whatever it might be.

不过我觉得你说得对,就是说,除了我在年报里做的那个计算之外,再加上一些常态化的承保利润,也并不算不合适。

But I think you're right in saying that it would not be inappropriate to include some normalized underwriting profit in addition to the, in addition to the calculation that I made, uh, in the annual report.
M3
M31:43

Whitney,让我换个问题来帮你问问 Warren。

Whitney, let me help you by asking another question of Warren.

在全世界范围内,你所知道的,有没有任何一家大型财产意外险业务,是你愿意拿来和我们的做交换的?

Is there any other large casualty insurance operation in the world that you know of that you would trade for ours?
M2
M21:55

没有,差得远。

No, not remotely.

没有,没有,一家都没有能接近的。

No, no, nothing close.

我的意思是,不管我们当初是怎么走运碰上的,我们现在拥有的这个保险业务,简直不可思议。

I mean, we— however we lucked into it, we've got— we have an unbelievable insurance operation.

而且我是说,GEICO,你知道,真的是太棒了。

And I mean, GEICO, you know, is fabulous.

还有,你想想看,从一九三六年开始,这个理念其实就已经在那里了。但是你知道,别的公司都有很强的实力,还有代理人体系之类的一切优势,而 GEICO 现在已经发展到美国第三大了,而且每天都在追赶排在它前面的那两家,同时还做得非常赚钱。

And, you know, if you think about since 1936, the idea has been out there, but, you know, with all the strength that all the other companies had and the agency plants and everything else, you know, GEICO has now moved to where it's the 3rd largest in the United States and gaining ground every day, uh, on the 2 ahead of them and, and doing it very profitably.

GEICO 的 combined ratio——如果我没记错的话,GEICO 在第一季度的承保利润接近八个点。

GEICO's combined ratio— GEICO had an underwriting profit of close to 8 points, uh, as I remember it, in the first quarter.

当然,我得补充一句,这大概会是它今年表现最好的一个季度,但这确实是一门很棒的生意。

Uh, now that's going to be probably the best quarter of the year, I should add, but it's, it's a marvelous business.

Ajit 在再保险业务上,从零开始打造出了一项业务,而且在很多方面,你知道,他几乎就是一个人在运作。

Ajit has built a business from scratch in the reinsurance business that in many respects, you know, he operates all alone.

在任何一个特定时期里,他看到的交易机会可能都不算多,但有些情况是这样的:如果有人想要非常大额的保险,而且还想要一个快速答复,或者有时候就算是慢一点的答复,我们也会很快给出回应。

He may not see a lot of transactions in any given period of time, but there are certain things where if somebody wants huge amounts of insurance and a quick answer, or even a slow answer sometimes, we'll give them a quick one.

真的没有别人可打电话了。

There's really nobody else to call.

这有点像 Charlie 提到的并购机会。

It's a little like Charlie mentioned on acquisition opportunities.

所以他做成了。

So he's done it.

我是说,他去之前,这项业务根本不存在。

I mean, it didn't exist when he got there.

Tad Montross 在 Gen Re 也建立起了一套非常出色的业务。

Tad Montross has got a magnificent operation at Gen Re.

我是说,那边之前确实需要进行相当大程度的整顿,但 Tad 现在在那里经营的是一项纪律性非常、非常强的业务。

I mean, it had to get shaken out to quite a degree, but Tad has got a very, very disciplined business there.

另外,我们还有一批规模较小的公司,其中有些拥有非常独特的 franchise。

And then we have a group of smaller companies that some of them have some very unusual franchises.

所以他们真的是,你知道,这事跟我一点关系都没有,所以我可以尽情夸夸这些人。他们在打造一家保险公司这件事上,真的干得太出色了。呃,我觉得——我觉得根本就没有哪家公司能跟它相比。

So they're really, you know, I didn't have anything to do with it, so I can brag about these people, but they have really done a job in building an insurance company that, uh, that I don't think anything— I don't think there is anything like it.
M3
M34:04

对,对,在座有些跟了我们很多年的人,当年你们是投给了一个 Omaha 小伙子,结果最后你们拥有了全球最好的财产险和意外险业务的一部分。

Yeah, yeah, some of you people that have been around a long time, you invested with an Omaha boy and you ended up owning part of the best property and casualty insurance business in the world.
M2
M24:17

对,如果你去 30th and Harney,那儿你会看到一栋 National Indemnity 的大楼。

Yeah, if you go to 30th and Harney, you'll see a building there of National Indemnity's.

我们当年花了八百七十万美元买下 National Indemnity,又花了一百四十万美元买下它的姊妹公司 National Fire and Marine。

We paid $8.7 million for National Indemnity, $1.4 million for its sister company, National Fire and Marine.

而那栋楼,就是我们在一九六七年办公的那栋楼。

And that's the same building that we operated out of in 1967.

我们今天还在那儿办公。

We're operating out of it today.

唯一的区别就是,如今它的净资产已经比世界上任何一家保险公司都高了。

The only difference is that today it's got more net worth than any insurance company in the world.
M3
M34:44

对,所以我们——财产意外险这个生意,单说生意本身,其实也没那么棒。

Yeah, so we— it's not that great a business as a business, casualty insurance.

这是个很难做的行业。

It's a tough game.

在这个行业里,很容易受到诱惑去干蠢事。

There are temptations to be stupid in it.

就像银行业一样。

It's like banking.

然后,不过既然我们身在这个行业里,我觉得我们手上这家是最好的。

And, and, and, but if you're in it, I think we've got the best one.
M2
M25:03

好,讲完这些很谦虚的说法之后,我们继续,请 Becky。

Okay, with those modest statements, we'll move on to Becky.