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Schooled: The Moth Podcast

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我就想听他们读几个东西。

I just want to hear them read a few things.
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欢迎来到 The Moth。

Welcome to The Moth.

我是 Michelle Jelawski。

I'm Michelle Jelawski.

很不想带来坏消息,但夏天已经快到尾声了。

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we're coming to the end of the summer.

而且我得说,它过得真快。

And I gotta say, it went by so fast.

前一刻你还在庆祝夏至,下一刻就该把那些书包收拾起来,准备开学第一天了。

One day you're celebrating the summer solstice, and the next it's time to pack up those book bags for the first day of school.

我已经很多年不是学生了,但我还是很清楚地记得新学年那种既忐忑又兴奋的感觉。

It's been many years since I've been a student, but I still viscerally remember the apprehension and excitement of a new school year.

新衣服、新活页夹和笔,还有那种新学年、新我态度。

New clothes, new binders and pens, a new year, new me attitude.

算下来,我在学校大概待了21年。

All told, I've spent about 21 years in school.

这差不多占了我人生的一半,不过老实说,我很难想起自己到底学会了什么具体的东西。

That's nearly half my life, but I'll be honest with you, I'm hard-pressed to remember anything concrete I learned.

比如行星的顺序,各州首府,还有线粒体是干什么的。

The order of the planets, state capitals, what the mitochondria does.

我知道我曾经是懂这些的,但现在可千万别来问我。

I know I knew these things at one point, but please don't try to ask me now.

好在对我来说,教育并不只是书本知识。

Luckily for me, an education isn't just all about book learning.

这一集里,是一些我们在学校里和学校外学到的功课。

On this episode, stories of the lessons we learned both in and out of school.

先来的是一个关于用一种完全独特的方式学习ABC的故事。

First up is a story about learning the ABCs in a completely unique way.

Kathy Gesiorowicz 是在 Twin Cities 的 StorySLAM 上讲的这个故事,那一场的主题是书。

Kathy Gesiorowicz told this at a Twin Cities StorySLAM where the theme was books.

下面是 Kathy,现场在 The Moth。

Here's Kathy, live at The Moth.
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我上10年级的时候,我们的英语老师布置了一个关于 communications 的项目。

When I was in 10th grade, our English teacher gave us an assignment to do a project on communications.

这个题目范围很宽。

It was wide open.

你可以写论文,也可以表演一出戏,或者唱一首歌。

You could write a paper, you could perform a play or sing a song.

总之,我晚饭时把这事跟爸妈一说,我妈就说,那你和 Nina吧,Nina 是我姐姐,你们俩为什么不自己编一本 mime 字母书呢?

Anyway, so when I told my parents about it over dinner, my mom said, well, why don't you and Nina— Nina's my older sister— why don't you guys make up your own mime alphabet book?

我觉得,嗯,也行。

Which was, was fine.

这也算不上是个完全原创的点子。

It was not an altogether original idea.

Marcel Marceau 刚出了一本 mime 字母书,不过,嘿,正好能当模板。

Marcel Marceau had just come out with a mime alphabet book, but hey, template.

而我姐姐那时候已经在 Minneapolis Urban Arts Program 上摄影课上了一阵子,我自己也刚开始上 mime 和舞蹈课。

And my sister had been taking photography classes through the Minneapolis Urban Arts Program for a bit, and I had just started taking mime and dance classes.

所以这其实真是个很聪明的主意。

So it was actually a really brilliant idea.

除了 Nina 和我从我大概10岁、我们解散了 Man from U.N.C.L.E. 俱乐部之后,就再也没怎么在任何事情上达成过一致。

Except for the part that Nina and I hadn't really agreed on anything since I was probably 10 when we disbanded our Man from U.N.C.L.E. club.

所以那会儿我15岁,她17岁。

So I was now 15, she was 17.

但她愿意。

But she was game.

她想做个项目,而我不想写论文。

She wanted to do a project and I didn't want to write a paper.

所以我们坐下来列了个清单。我的意思是,那二十六个字母是现成的,你知道吧。

So we sat down and made a list of, well, I mean, the 26 letters, you know, were given.

但我们给每个字母都编了一个对应的词,而且,怎么说呢,令人震惊的是,我们几乎每一个都意见一致。

But we made up words that went with each of them and, like, shockingly agreed on nearly every one of them.

可能是因为我们俩都来自同一个充满焦虑的家庭。

And probably because we both came from the same angst-ridden home.

所以,D代表的就是 dying,也就是死亡。

So D, like, was for dying.
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恐惧。

Fear.
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恐惧。

Fear.

F代表 fear,也就是恐惧。

F was for fear.

恐惧。

Fear.
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恐惧。

Fear.
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G代表 guilty,也就是有罪。

G was for guilty.

嗯,S代表 spy,也就是间谍。

Um, S was for spy.

T代表 trapped,也就是被困住。

T was for trapped.

V代表 vicious,也就是凶残。

V was for vicious.

X代表 xenophobia,也就是仇外心理,这个词是 Nina 想出来的。

X was for xenophobia, which was Nina's idea.

嗯,所以几天以后,我们下到地下室,在地板上铺了一张床单。我当时穿着黑色的连体紧身衣和裤袜。

Um, so, uh, we went down to the basement a couple days later, put a sheet down on the basement floor, and I had my black leotard and tights on.

我化了点妆,然后在这面粉红色的灰泥墙前,Nina 给我拍照,我摆出各种姿势。

I put on some makeup, and then against this pink stucco wall, Nina took pictures while I did these poses.

接下来的那个周末,我们在暗房里度过了神奇的两天。

And then the following weekend, we spent 2 magical days in this darkroom.

她弄到了一把钥匙,可以进他们上课的那个地方。

She had gotten a key to the place where they were taking classes.

整整两天,怎么说呢,她把胶卷冲洗出来,我们就看着那些东西一点一点地显现出来。

And for 2 days, I mean, it was - she would develop the film and we would, we would watch things kind of come to life.

然后,接着我们把照片冲洗出来,经过药水浸洗,那些照片就这样出现了。

And then, and then we would develop pictures and then the baths and these photos would just appear.

出现在一张张方形的纸上。

On these squares of paper.

我把它交给了我的英语课老师,还拿了个 A。

And I turned it into my English class and I got an A.

我不是想炫耀啊,但是——不过我班上有个女孩,叫 Robin,她问能不能借这本书给她看,因为她想拿给自己的邻居看,而她那个邻居正好自己开了一家儿童文学出版社。

Don't want to brag, but - But then one of the girls in my class, Robin, asked if she could borrow the book to show it to her next-door neighbor who happened to own his own children's literature publishing company.

所以她就把那本书,也就是那本哑语字母书,带给了他。

So she brought the book, the mime alphabet book, to him.

然后几个月以后,我们接到电话,说 Lerner Publications 想出版我们的书。

And then a couple of months later, we got a phone call that Lerner Publications wanted to publish our book.

他们愿意给我们三百美元的一次性买断费用,不支付版税。

And they were willing to offer us a flat fee of $300, no royalties.

在当时看来,这已经很不错了,尤其是跟我当保姆挣的钱比起来。

Which at the time seemed impressive compared to what I was making babysitting.

而且,顺便说一句,那本书糟透了,根本没有别的出版社愿意出版。

And plus, just - I'm going to just say it as an aside, it was a terrible book and nobody else would publish it.

但我当时其实并没有意识到这一点。

But I didn't really realize that at the time.

不过我就是有一种感觉,这件事没得谈。

But I just had a sense that this was not negotiable.

总之。

Anyway.

不过,他们提了几个要求。

But they had a couple of requests.

有几个字母我们得改一下。

We had to change a couple of the letters.

C 代表 cannabis,也就是大麻。毕竟那可是 1971 年,你懂的。

C was for cannabis, which, this being, you know, 1971.

E 代表 Eve。当时我就抱着自己的阴毛和胸部,羞愧地把脸转向镜头外。

And E was for Eve, where I was, like, clutching my pubes and my breasts and looking away from the camera in shame.

哦,对了,等等。

Oh, yeah, wait.

我们还得把代表 rapier 的 R 改掉,可能是因为这个词是法语,也可能是因为听起来特别像一个很糟糕的脏话。

We also had to change R for rapier, either because it was French or it sounded like a very bad word.

所以后来就改成了 Rescue。

So that became Rescue.

不过,我还是皱着眉头,看起来完全不像是在进行什么愉快的救援。

But again, my brow was furrowed and it was not a happy rescue.

所以从主题上来说,这本书整体还是挺统一的。

So thematically, the book still really hung together.

总之,之后就一直没消息,直到一年半以后。

Anyway, then crickets until a year and a half later.

然后这本书出版了。

And then the book was published.

也没有什么签售会。

And there was no book signing.

也没有什么哑剧宣传活动。

Or mime promotional events.

就是差不多把书往那儿一放,说:书在这儿。

It was just sort of a, here's the book.

他们还给了我们几本,我们就像发派对小礼物一样,把书送给了别人。

And they gave us some copies, which we gave to people like party favors.

但大概六个月以后,我们发现这本书居然被《New York Times》评论了。

But then about 6 months later, we found out it had been reviewed by the New York Times.

评论家大概是这么说的,我这里只稍微转述一下:两个这么没才华的女孩,居然敢出版自己的书,脸皮可真够厚的。

And the reviewer said something to the effect of, I paraphrase only a little bit, It takes a lot of chutzpah for 2 such talentless girls to publish their own book.

总之,Nina 和我后来各自继续往前走,基本上走上了不同的路,不过这些年我们其实一直相处得特别好。

Anyway, Nina and I moved on and kind of went our separate ways, although we actually got along really well over the years.

她现在算是我在这个星球上最喜欢的人之一。

She's now like one of my favorite humans on the planet.

就在几年前,我们开始通过邮件互相转发一些网站链接,那些网站会提到这本书。

And just a couple of years ago, we started trading back and forth through email links to websites that mention the book.

这书好像形成了这么一种……怎么说呢,不算是邪教式的追随。

There's like this, it's like a, it's not like a cult following.

更像是邪教式的憎恨,或者类似的东西。

It's like a cult hating or something.

就像,这什么鬼——

Like, what the—.
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这——

This—.
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这就是——

This is—.
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这些……我都不知道这两个女孩是谁,但她们有病吧。

These are— I don't know who these girls are, but they are sick.

她们身上肯定有什么不正常的地方。

There's something sick about them.

还有人说:哇,真是个怪胎,这是史上最糟糕的书。

Another one is like, whoa, freak, worst book ever.

这本书还被列在 awfullibrarybooks.com 上。

It's also listed on awfullibrarybooks.com.

还有,嗯,糟糕的书封面,还有我最喜欢的 weirdbooks.com,我们被列在前十名里,就排在《Eastern North America 的流浪购物车》下面。

And, um, awful book covers, and my favorite, weirdbooks.com, we are listed on the top 10 right below Stray Shopping Carts of Eastern North America.

谢谢。

Thank you.
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刚才是 Kathy Gesiorowicz。

That was Kathy Gesiorowicz.

Kathy 以前做过默剧演员、舞者,也做过营销文案。

Kathy is a former mime, dancer, and marketing writer.

作为一个讲故事的人,她在 The Moth、Patrick's Cabaret、Minnesota Fringe Festival,还有很多其他地方都演出过。

As a storyteller, she's performed at The Moth, Patrick's Cabaret, the Minnesota Fringe Festival, among many other places.

Kathy 告诉我们,她和 Nina 一直想把这本书的副本塞给那些侄子侄女、外甥外甥女们,但到目前为止还没成功。

Kathy tells us that she and Nina keep trying to unload copies of the book onto the niblings, but so far without success.

如果你觉得自己也需要一本,我们查了一下,截至这次录音的时候,eBay 上可以买到,二十五美元一本。

And if you feel like you need your own copy, we checked, and as of this recording, it is available on eBay for $25.

接下来是 Annie Tan,她是在纽约一场 StorySLAM 上讲的这个故事,那场的主题是本能。

Next up is Annie Tan, who told this at a New York StorySLAM where the theme was instincts.

这是 Annie,在 The Moth 的现场。

Here's Annie, live at The Moth.
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嗨,我是 Annie Tan。

Hi, I'm Annie Tan.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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我从六岁起就想当老师,因为我在 Chinatown 长大,那时候我不懂英语,我只想要我妈妈。

I've been wanting to be a teacher since I was 6 years old because I grew up in Chinatown and I didn't know English and all I wanted was my mom.

然后 Sheridan 老师看见了我,她带我们做爆米花,摇打 heavy cream,把它做成黄油和牛奶,那时候我就知道,我希望我的学生也能像我当时那样开心。

And Ms. Sheridan saw me and she made popcorn with us, shook up heavy cream and made it into butter and milk, and I knew then I wanted my students to feel as good as I felt.

所以我在 Chicago 教书的第二年,我是一名特殊教育老师,我当时就想,我不知道该怎么办,因为我的学生里,有些孩子一受到惊吓就会从教室里跑出去,有些三年级的孩子还穿着尿布,然后还有像 Grace 这样的孩子,Grace 不是她的真名,因为我当然不会说她的真名,但 Grace 有 autism,她不会说话,我就想,我要怎么教一个不会说话的孩子呢,然后我注意到了,对吧?

So in my second year teaching in Chicago, I was a special education teacher and I was like, I don't know what to do, because I had kids, like, they would run out of my classroom, like, anytime they were startled, or I had kids who were third graders who were still in diapers, and then I had kids like Grace, and Grace is not her real name, because I'm not gonna mention her real name, of course, but Grace had autism, and she didn't speak, and I was like, how am I gonna teach a kid who doesn't speak, and I notice, right?

我注意到了她,也听见她每天都在唱、在哼同一首歌。

I noticed her, and I heard her sing and hum this song every day.

啊 na na na na na na 啊啊啊啊,对吧?

Ah na na na na na na ah ah ah ah, right?

听起来有点像 Mister Rogers' Neighborhood 那首歌,然后我突然意识到,我得真正看见这个女孩。

Kind of sounded like the Mister Rogers' Neighborhood one, and I just realized I have to see this girl.

我得弄明白这是怎么回事,于是我问她妈妈:“这是什么歌?”她说:“这是 Daniel Tiger 的主题曲。”那是 PBS 上的一个儿童节目。

I have to figure this out, and I ask her mom, "What's the song?" And she says, "It's the Daniel Tiger theme song." It's like a kids' show on PBS.

所以我就想,明白了!

So I was like, got it!

我要找这首歌的 karaoke 版本,放给她听。

I'm going to find a karaoke version of this song and play it for her.

歌词,对吧?

Words, right?

Na na,beautiful day in the neighborhood,won't you be my neighbor?

Na na, beautiful day in the neighborhood, won't you be my neighbor?

然后我意识到,哦,歌曲!

And I realized, oh, songs!

于是我开始把每首歌里的词配上图片,然后我发现,我可以用带文字的图片来教她。

So I started putting pictures with the words in each song, and I realized I could use pictures with words to teach her.

我开始给她做这些测试,用的是我花了好多好多小时做出来的覆膜图片卡,上面还有 Velcro,她每次都能选对答案。

And I started giving her these tests with these laminated picture cards that I spent hours and hours on with Velcro, and she'd pick the right answer every time.

《The Three Little Pigs》里是谁在制造麻烦?

Who was causing the problem in The Three Little Pigs?

是狼,对吧?

The wolf, right?

所以我知道这个女孩很聪明,但我不知道该怎么教她,于是我意识到我得学更多东西,所以我问校长,嘿,我能去参加一个培训吗?

So I knew this girl was smart, but I didn't know how to teach her, so I realized I got to learn more, and so I asked my principal, hey, can I go to a training?

因为我找到了一个培训,是教人用图片词汇来沟通的,对吧?

Because I had found this training to use picture words to communicate, right?

这样你就可以说,比如,我想要电脑。

So you could say things like, I want computer.

我会让 Grace 把那些卡片全都给我,可我也不知道还能怎么办。

And I would make Grace give me all those cards, but I didn't know what else to do.

所以我去问了校长。

And so I asked my principal.

他对我说了一句:“Tan 女士,你觉得你的学生长大以后会变成什么样?”

And he goes to me and he just says, Ms. Tan, where do you think your students are going to be as adults?

我当时就愣了,说:“什么?”

And I was like, what?

他说:“你这些孩子以后不会有什么出息。”

And he was like, your kids aren't going to make anything of themselves.

我当时就想,哇。

And I was like, wow.

这家伙到底是谁?

Who is this guy?

我开始向其他老师打听,结果学校里的老师全都怕他,因为我们拿到的都是‘有待提升’的评级,而且他已经解雇了好几位老师,却事先都没告诉他们,所以那些老师全都收到了 HR 发来的邮件。

I start asking around the teachers, and the teachers in the school are all terrified of him because we're all getting developing ratings, and he's fired multiple teachers without telling them, so they all got these HR emails.

所以这人实在太糟糕了。我就想,我得查查其他学校是不是也在发生这种事。

So this is a terrible guy, and I'm like, I gotta find out if this is happening in other schools.

于是我开始去参加 Chicago Teachers Union 的活动,后来还加入了一个特殊教育委员会,最后主持了这个委员会两年。

So I start going to the Chicago Teachers Union, and I actually end up going to a special ed committee, and I end up running it for two years.
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然后……

And...
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谢谢。

Thank you.

我意识到,这不只发生在我们学校,而是整个城市都这样。他们鼓励我在自己的学校成立一个工会分会,试着在学校里推动一些改变。

And I realized this is not just happening at my school, this is across the city, and they encouraged me to start a union chapter at my school, and, like, try to do things there.

于是我把老师们召集到一起,大家一起想办法该怎么办。

So I gathered the teachers together, and we're trying to figure out what to do.

与此同时,我也在努力成为一名最好的老师,不断寻找各种培训。第二年在学校里,我带着 Grace 的妈妈,也就是她的家长,去参加了培训。我们还找到了一个也许能教 Grace 说话的设备,那是一个有一百二十六张图片的设备。她对我说:“Tan 老师,我一直都把自己的孩子当成残障儿童。对不起。现在我看到了她在学校里做的一切,她不是那样的。她非常聪明,她是一个独立的人,我得开始用这样的方式对待她。”

Meanwhile, I'm trying to be the best teacher I can, and I'm continuing to find these trainings, and the next year at school, I bring Grace's parent, her mom, to the training, and we figure out this device that might teach Grace how to speak, a 126-picture device, and she goes, Miss Tan, like, I have seen my child as handicapped this whole time, and I'm sorry, I see everything she does in school, and she's not, she's so smart, she's an individual, and I have to start treating her that way.

我当时就想,好吧,我真的推动了一些事情。后来我又得知校长明年就要退休了,于是我想,也许情况会有所好转。

And I'm like, all right, like, I'm making something happen, and then I find out my principal's gonna retire the next year, so I'm like, maybe something will get better.

结果到了五月,就在教师感谢周的最后一天,我收到了一封 HR 的邮件。

And then in May, the last day of Teacher Appreciation Week, I got an HR email.
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哎。

Aw.
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我当时就想,天哪,我真不敢相信。

And I was like, oh my God, like, I can't believe this.

我为了看见真正的 Grace,还有其他那些孩子,已经付出了这么多努力。

Like, I've worked so hard to see Grace and all these other kids.

难道我成立这个工会分会、为 Grace 争取权益、主持特殊教育委员会,都是错的吗?

Like, was I wrong to, like, start this union chapter, to fight for her, to run the special ed committee?

我一连哭了好几个星期,可不是只有我在哭。

And I'm crying for weeks, but I'm not the only one crying.

有一天在学校里,我看到 Grace 躺在地板上。这不是什么值得我高兴的事,我也不该因此高兴,可她当时正躺在地上哭。

So I see Grace on the floor one day in school, and this is not something I'm supposed to be happy about or anything, but she's crying on the floor.

她仰面躺着。

She's on her back.

就躺在地板上,一边踢腿,一边尖叫:“不要!”

Like, on the floor, and she's kicking, and she's screaming, no!

“不要!”

No!

我和助教们就一起哭着喊:“好啊!”

And the assistants and I are just crying, yes!
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好啊!

Yes!
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因为 Grace 说出了她人生中的第一个词:不要。

Because Grace had said her first word, no.

谢谢。

Thank you.
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刚才那位是 Annie Tan。

That was Annie Tan.

Annie 是一位住在 New York City 的作家、教育工作者和活动家。

Annie is a writer, educator, and activist based in New York City.

在特殊教育课堂工作了十一年之后,Annie 转向了非营利组织工作,支持 Asian American 社区,同时也在写一本关于她的家庭和行动主义的回忆录。

After 11 years in special education classrooms, Annie has gone on to nonprofit work supporting the Asian American community and is writing a memoir about her family and activism.

休息之后,我们会听到一个关于 Lingua Latina 的故事。

After the break, a story about Lingua Latina.

马上回来。

Back in a moment.

欢迎回来。

Welcome back.

接下来这个故事,是我们档案里很受欢迎的一篇。

Our next story is a favorite from the archive.

Romy Negrin 是在 New York City Education Showcase 上讲的这个故事,当时的主题是 Betwixt and Between。

Romy Negrin told this at a New York City Education Showcase where the theme was Betwixt and Between.

下面是 Romy,在 The Moth 的现场。

Here's Romy, live at The Moth.
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在我们学校,有一些孩子学 Latin。

So at my school, there are some kids who take Latin.

我们管他们叫失败者。

We call them losers.

其中还有一些孩子更进一步,加入了 Latin 竞赛队。

And some of those kids have gone the extra mile and joined the competitive Latin team.

我们管他们叫可悲的失败者。

We call them pathetic losers.

而我,就是这样一个可悲的失败者。

And I am one such pathetic loser.

我从七年级开始学 Latin。

I started taking Latin in seventh grade.

我当时想,哦,应该会挺好玩吧,又很古老什么的,随便啦。

I was like, oh, it'll be fun and ancient, whatever.

然后我认识的每个人都说,别学 Latin。

And everyone I knew was like, don't take Latin.

那是一门死语言。

It's a dead language.

你要用 Latin 跟谁说话啊?

Who are you going to speak to in Latin?

跟 Pope 吗?

The Pope?
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总有一天吧。

Someday.
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但我还是开始学 Latin,然后我爱上了它。

But I started taking Latin, and I fell in love with it.
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哎哟。

Aww.
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八年级刚开始的时候,我的 Latin 老师就说,嘿,你应该加入 Certamen,也就是 Latin 竞赛队。

And at the beginning of eighth grade, my Latin teacher was like, hey, you should join Certamen, the competitive Latin team.

Certamen,给不知道的人解释一下,在 Latin 里意思是 competition,因为你要去参加比赛,比赛 Latin。

Certamen, for those of you who don't know, means competition in Latin, because you go to competitions to do Latin.

我就说,行啊。

And I was like, sure.

所以我就加入了 Certamen 队。

So I joined the Certamen team.

新手队里有我和另外三个孩子,然后我们开始为这一年第一场大型比赛练习,Yale。

And it's me and three other kids in the novice team, and we start practicing for the first big competition of the year, Yale.

这些比赛都在各大名校举行:Yale、Harvard、Princeton。

They have these competitions at all the big universities: Yale, Harvard, Princeton.

你懂的,就是你会预期这种事会出现的地方。

You know, where you expect this sort of thing to be.

然后我们开始练习,那个重要的日子终于到了。

And we start practicing, and the big day finally arrives.

我们大概早上五点半就在 Grand Central 集合。

And we gather at Grand Central at like 5:30 in the morning.

太早了。

Too early.

但我们不在乎,因为我们要去 New Haven 了。

But we don't care because we're off to New Haven.

Connecticut 的 New Haven。

New Haven, Connecticut.

真是个好地方!

What a town!

于是我们上了火车,我的一个朋友带来了这么一大坨巧克力。

So we get on the train and one of my friends has brought along this ball of chocolate.

一大块巨大的巧克力,外面包着你见过最闪亮的锡纸。

This big, huge bar of chocolate, wrapped in the shiniest tin foil you ever did see.

我们全队说好了,只有在我们进入半决赛的时候,才会吃那块巧克力。

And we agreed as a team that we would eat that chocolate if and only if we made it to semifinals.

所以这算是额外的动力,除此之外,我本来天生就好胜,而且胜利本身也很光荣。

So that's an extra incentive other than the fact that I'm inherently competitive by nature and there's glory in victory.

嗯,所以我们在火车上练习。

Um, so we're on the train and we're practicing.

我们在变位动词,比如 porto、portas、portat、portamus、portatis、portant。

We're conjugating our verbs like porto, portas, portat, portamus, portatis, portant.

我们还唱我们的歌,《Row, Row, Row Your Emperors》。

And we're singing our song, Row, Row, Row Your Emperors.

我的 Latin 老师就在旁边,她就说,太好了,我们大家都会玩得很开心。

And my Latin teacher's just there and she's like, yay, we're all gonna have fun.

我心想,是啊,赢了会很开心。

And I was like, yeah, winning would be fun.

最后我们到了 Yale。

And we finally arrive at Yale.

每场比赛一开始都会有一个讲座,他们会请一位 classics 系的老师来,给我们讲讲 Roman pottery 之类的,好让我们进入比赛状态。

And every competition starts off with a lecture where they bring in one of the classics faculty to, like, give us a talk about Roman pottery to get us into the competition mood.

所以这差不多就是一天的开始,然后他们会问你问题——哦,他们会问你关于 Roman history、mythology、Latin vocabulary、grammar、literature 的问题,基本上就是什么都问。

And so that's, like, the start of the day, and then they ask you questions— oh, they ask you questions about Roman history, mythology, Latin vocabulary, grammar, literature, basically, like, everything.

于是我们去听讲座,讲座结束后,他们告诉我们,他们开创了一个有趣的新系统,一个 bracket system。每个组别——novice、intermediate 和 advanced——都会有两个 bracket:A bracket 是给以前参加过 Certamen 的人,B bracket 是给完全不知道自己在干什么的人。

And so we go to the lecture, and after the lecture, they tell us that they've pioneered this fun new system, a bracket system, where for each division— novice, intermediate, and advanced— there will be 2 brackets: an A bracket for people who have been to a Certamen before, and a B bracket for people who had no idea what they were doing.

而我们显然属于 B bracket,因为我们以前从来没参加过。

And we clearly belonged in the B bracket, because we'd never done it before.

所以我们就说,那我们去 B bracket 吧。

And we were like, off we go to the B bracket.

但是 B bracket 只有一支队伍能进半决赛,而 A bracket 会有八支队伍进半决赛。

But the B bracket would only send 1 team to semifinals, while the A bracket would send 8 teams to semifinals.

对。

Yeah.

你们都会算数。

You can all do math.

所以讲座结束后,他们说,等一下。

So after the lecture, they say, hold on a minute.

A bracket 里有一支队伍没来。

One of the teams from the A bracket isn't here.

B bracket 里有没有哪支队伍愿意加入 A bracket?

Would one of the teams from the B bracket like to join the A bracket?

我们互相看了看,然后就想,八比一大。

And we looked at each other and we were like, 8 is greater than 1.

所以我们就说,我们愿意加入 A bracket,谢谢。

So we were like, we will join the A bracket, please.

于是我们就换过去了。

So we switch.

我们还因为自己做了这个决定,兴奋得互相击掌。

And we're like high-fiving ourselves about this decision that we've made.

然后我们蹦蹦跳跳地去参加第一轮,在那儿遇到了第一批对手,Acton-Boxborough。

And we skip along off to our first round where we meet our first challengers, Acton-Boxborough.

Acton-Boxborough 是他们学校的名字。

Acton-Boxborough is the name of their school.

你想想看。

Just think about that.

五个音节。

Five syllables.

音节也太多了。

So many syllables.

你就知道,这肯定很装。

You know it has to be pretentious.

结果他们还真是。

And they were.

他们队在新手组里有一个十一年级学生和一个十二年级学生,而我们才八年级。

Their team was comprised of a junior and a senior in the novice division, and we're in 8th grade.

那个十二年级男生还在跟主持人调情,因为主持人其实也就是 Yale 的大二学生。

And the senior is flirting with the moderator, because the moderator is just like a sophomore at Yale.

所以,嗯,对。

So, yeah.

然后他就说,呃,你最喜欢的 Roman 诗人是谁?

So he's like, uh, who's your favorite Roman poet?

她说,我喜欢 Ovid。

And she's like, I like Ovid.

他说,Ovid?

And he's like, Ovid?

我超爱 Ovid。

I love Ovid.

我就看着我的朋友们,心想,Ovid?

And I'm just looking at my friends like, Ovid?

我从来没读过 Ovid。

I've never read Ovid.

我还卡在 Cambridge Latin Course 的第二册呢。

I'm still stuck on book 2 of the Cambridge Latin Course.

有机会的话真该读读,很精彩。

A great read if you ever have the chance.

所以这就是第一轮,不过我们第一轮其实表现还挺不错。

So that's round 1, but we actually do pretty well in round 1.

然后第二轮,我们迄今为止最强的对手,Oak Hall。

So, round 2, our fiercest competitors yet, Oak Hall.

只有两个音节,但其中一个音节是 hall。

Only 2 syllables, but one of the syllables is hall.

所以你们自己体会一下。

So just contemplate that.

他们在题目还没念完之前就抢答了。

And they're buzzing in before the questions are finished.

就像,皇帝在哪一年——滴,公元一二三年。

It's like, in what year did the emperor— bzzt, 123 AD.

什么的单数夺格形式是——滴,Pane。

What's the ablative singular form of— bzzt, Pane.

Pane。

Pane.

然后你就会想,他们怎么知道的?

And it's like, how did they know?

他们知道,是因为他们有个教练,Adam。

And the reason they know is because they have a coach, Adam.

Adam 会把长头发扎成马尾,穿着一件 flannel,还会死死盯着那些孩子的眼睛。

And Adam, he ties his long hair back in a ponytail, and he wears this flannel, and he stares those children dead in the eyes.

要是他们答错了问题,老天可不答应,因为 Adam 这时候就有话说了。

And God forbid they should get a question wrong, because then Adam has something to say about it.

他说,呃,打扰一下,但其实,在 Virgil's Aeneid 第一卷第324行里,他用的是这个词的另一种诗体形式,而 Keegan 回答的正是这个形式。

He goes, um, excuse me, but actually, in Virgil's Aeneid, Book 1, line 324, he uses the alternative poetic form of the word, which is the form that Keegan answered with.

我猜,如果你在 Oak Hall,Keegan 就是你的名字。

Keegan is your name if you go to Oak Hall, I guess.

所以 Keegan 理应拿到那些分。

So Keegan deserves to be awarded those points.

那这个主持人还能怎么办呢?

And what is this moderator going to do?

她也就19岁,而且那会儿正好是周六下午正中间。

She's like 19, and it's the middle of a Saturday afternoon.

所以她就只是说,嗯,我猜也是。

So she's just like, yeah, I guess.

结果 Oak Hall 把我们打得很惨。

So Oak Hall thrashes us.

不过预赛还是结束了,我们其实对自己的分数感觉挺不错的。

But the preliminaries end, and we actually feel pretty good about our score.

我们互相看着对方,都在想,我们觉得自己能进半决赛。

And we're like looking at each other and we're like, we think we're going to make it to semis.

然后我们看着那块巧克力,心想,我们要把你吃掉。

And we're looking at our chocolate and we're like, we're going to eat you.

我们就一直等着他们把分数贴出来。

And we're just waiting for them to post the scores.

我们等啊等,心里一直念叨着,八强以内就行,八强以内就行,八强以内就行。

And we're waiting and we're waiting and we're like, 8th place or better, 8th place or better, 8th place or better.

结果他们把分数贴出来,我们排在第9名。

And they post the scores and we were in 9th place.

唉。

Aww.
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我知道!

I know!
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我知道!

I know!
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最糟糕的是,最——最糟糕的是,我们看了自己的分数,又看了 B 组的最高分。

And the worst part, the most— the worst part is we looked at our score, and we looked at the top score from the B bracket.

对了,你大概也猜到了。

And yeah, you can guess.

我们的分数比 B 组的最高分还高。

Our score was higher than the top score in the B bracket.

所以要是我们一直留在 B 组,我们本来是能进半决赛的。

So had we remained in the B bracket, we would have advanced to semifinals.
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啊!

Ah!
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我的拉丁语老师就说,18支队里拿第9名,已经挺不错了。

And my Latin teacher is like, 9th out of 18, that's pretty good.

咱们该回车上了。

Let's get back on the train.

我们就说,不够好。

And we're like, not good enough.

我们互相看着,又看着那块巧克力,心想,哦,我们根本不配吃这块巧克力。

And we're looking at each other and we're looking at that chocolate and we're like, oh, we didn't deserve this chocolate.

但该死的是,我们最后还是吃了。

But I'll be damned if we didn't eat it anyway.

我们还发誓,下次一定要靠自己赢来它。

And we swore that next time we would earn it.

谢谢。

Thank you.
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那是 Romi Negrin。

That was Romi Negrin.

Romi 讲这个故事的时候,还是高中最后一年的学生。

Romi told this story when she was a senior in high school.

从那以后,她的 Latin 能力把她一路推到了令人头晕目眩的高度,最后拿到的不是一个,而是两个 medieval history 学位。

Since then, her Latin skills have propelled her to dizzying heights, culminating in not one, but two degrees in medieval history.

顺便说一句,她告诉我们,她目前没有工作。

Incidentally, she tells us that she is currently unemployed.

Romi 说自己是个读书很多的人,烘焙水平一般,运动能力则非常糟糕。

Romi says that she is a prolific reader, a mediocre baker, and a terrible athlete.

那我们的这一集也就到这里了。

That brings us to the end of our episode.

我们希望,不管那些 lessons 来自哪里,你学到的东西都能一直陪着你。

We hope that no matter where they came from, the lessons you learned stay with you.
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Michelle Jelowski 是 The Moth 的一位 director,在那里她帮助人们打磨他们的故事,让这些故事登上世界各地的舞台。

Michelle Jelowski is a director at The Moth, where she helps people shape their stories for stages all over the world.

Romi Negron 的故事由 Catherine McCarthy 指导。

Romi Negron's story was directed by Catherine McCarthy.

来自 Education Program 的故事,比如 Romi Negron 的这个故事,能够呈现出来,要感谢 unlikely collaborators 的慷慨支持。

Stories from the Education Program, like Romi Negron's, are possible with the gracious support of unlikely collaborators.
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本集 The Moth Podcast 由 Sarah Austin Janes、Sarah-Jane Johnson,以及我,Marc Solinger 制作。

This episode of The Moth Podcast was produced by Sarah Austin Janes, Sarah-Jane Johnson, and me, Marc Solinger.

The Moth 领导团队的其他成员包括 Gina Duncan、Christina Norman、Marina Cluchet、Jennifer Hickson、Jordan Cardinale、Caledonia Cairns、Kate Tellers、Suzanne Rust 和 Patricia Ureña。

The rest of The Moth's leadership team includes Gina Duncan, Christina Norman, Marina Cluchet, Jennifer Hickson, Jordan Cardinale, Caledonia Cairns, Kate Tellers, Suzanne Rust, and Patricia Ureña.
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特别感谢他们的 executive producer,Leah Reese Dennis。

Special thanks to their executive producer, Leah Reese Dennis.

所有 The Moth 的故事,都是讲述者记忆中的真实故事。

All Moth stories are true as remembered by their storytellers.
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