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巴菲特与芒格谈中美贸易战

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M1
M10:01

大家好,我是来自中国无锡 Southwood Capital 的 Xiao。

Hello, this is Xiao from Wuxi, China, Southwood Capital.

我已经当了十二年的股东。

I've been a shareholder for 12 years.

祝您和 Charlie 身体健康,这样我们还能再看您二位主持十二年的会议。

Wish you and Charlie good health so we could see you both run the meeting for 12 more years.
M2
M20:16

谢谢。

Thank you.
M1
M10:21

一个简短的问题:我们知道,您和中国的代表团都……

Quick question: We know both you and Chinese delegations.

美国和中国的代表团正在中国,就所谓的贸易战进行紧张的讨论。

US and China delegations are in China for intense discussion on the so-called trade war.

我们把视角放到贸易战之外一步。

Let's go one step beyond the trade war.

您觉得两国有没有双赢的可能?还是说,这个世界太小了,容不下双方都赢,我们又得重新看看您那张一九四二年的图表?

Do you think there's a win-win situation for both countries, or the world is just too small for both to win, and we have to revisit your 1942 chart again?
M3
M30:51

谢谢。

Thank you.
M1
M10:52

谢谢。

Thank you.
M2
M20:53

谢谢。

Thank you.

我想先提一件事。

I'd like to just mention one thing.

八月份我就八十八岁了。那是全年的第八个月,而且那一年也是以八结尾的。你和我都知道,八在中国是个非常幸运的数字。所以,要是你在那边发现了什么适合我的东西,现在就是时候了,现在就是我们该收购点什么的时候了,所有那些 A。

In August, I'm going to be 88, and that will be the 8th month of the year, and it's in a year that ends with an 8, and as you and I both know, 8 is a very lucky number in China, so if you find anything over there for me, this is the time, this is the time we should be acquiring something, all those A's.
M1
M11:22

一定,一定。

Will do, will do.
M2
M21:27

在经济上以及其他方面,美国和中国都会在很长、很长、很长一段时间里,成为世界上的两个超级大国。

The United States and China are going to be the two superpowers of the world economically and in other ways for a long, long, long time.

我们有很多共同利益。像任何两个大型经济体一样,有些时候也会出现紧张关系。不过,归根结底,世界进行贸易是一个双赢的局面。中国和美国是其中两个重要因素,但世界上还有很多其他的公民,也会影响最终的结果。

We have a lot of common interests, and like any two big economic entities, there are times when there'll be tensions, but it is a win-win situation when the world trades, basically, and China and the US are the two big factors in that, but there are plenty of other citizens of the world that are involved in how this comes out.

毫无疑问。我认为,这个国家有一点很好,就是无论 Democrats 还是 Republicans,整体上基本都相信自由贸易的好处。

There's no question, and the nice thing about it in this country, I think, is that both Democrats and Republicans basically, on balance, believe in the benefits of free trade.

我们会有分歧。

We will, we will have disagreements with each other.

我们在贸易问题上会和其他国家有分歧,但好处实在太大、太明显了,而且世界的进步在很大程度上依赖于它,所以两个理性的国家不会去做非常愚蠢的事。

We'll have disagreements with other countries on trade, but it's just too big and too obvious that the benefits are huge, and the world's dependent on it in a major way for its progress, that two intelligent countries will do something extremely foolish.

我们双方都可能时不时做些不太明智的事,显然其中也会有一些互相让步。

We both may do things that are mildly foolish from time to time, and there is some give and take obviously involved.

但在一九七零年,美国的出口和进口都大约占 GDP 的百分之五。

But US exports in 1970 and US imports in 1970 were both about 5% of GDP.

所以,基本上,我们卖出了相当于 GDP 百分之五的东西,也买进了相当于 GDP 百分之五的东西。

So here we were selling 5% of our GDP and buying up 5% of our GDP, basically.

现在人们觉得我们没有出口很多东西。

Now people think we don't export a lot of things.

我们的出口占 GDP 的百分之十一点几。

Our exports are 11 and a fraction percent of GDP.

作为这个不断增长的 GDP 的占比,它们已经翻了一倍多,但进口大约占百分之十四点五。

They've more than doubled as a share of this rising GDP, but the imports are about 14.5%.

所以两者之间有大约百分之三的差额。

So there's a gap of 3% or thereabouts.

我不希望这个差额变得太大,但你想想看,有人给你送来很多你想要的商品,而你交给他们一些小纸片,这其实并不是世界上最糟糕的事。

And I would not like that gap to get too wide, but when you think about it, it's really not the worst thing in the world to have somebody send you a lot of goods that you want and hand them little pieces of paper.

我的意思是,因为对应的另一项是:如果你的资产负债表上有盈余,或者有赤字的话。

I mean, because the balancing item is if you have a surplus of, or a deficit in, your balance sheet.
M1
M14:19

资产负债表。

Balance sheet.
M2
M24:20

贸易上,你就会在投资方面有盈余。

Trade, you're gonna have a surplus in investment.

这样一来,全世界手里就会有越来越多针对美国的索取凭证。他们会觉得,在某种程度上,他们可以买我们的政府证券,也可以买企业。

And then so the world is getting more claim checks on the United States, and they think they, to some extent, they buy our government securities, they can buy businesses.

随着时间推移,你不希望这个差距变得太大,因为你发给世界其他地区的索取凭证太多,在某些情况下可能会让人有点不舒服。

And over time, you don't want the gap to get to be too wide because the amount of claim checks you were giving out to the rest of the world could get a little unpleasant under some circumstances.

不过,我们在贸易上做得非常好。

But we've done remarkably well with trade.

中国在贸易上也做得非常好。

China's done remarkably well with trade.

世界各国在贸易上都做得非常好。

The countries of the world have done remarkably well with trade.

所以这是一种双赢的局面。

So it is a win-win situation.

唯一的问题是,某一方可能会想赢得稍微多一点,然后就会产生一定程度的紧张关系。

And the only problem gets to be when one side or the other may want to win a little bit too much, and then you have a certain amount of tension.

但我们不会为了贸易中出现的分歧而牺牲世界,我是说,不会牺牲世界的繁荣。

But we will not sacrifice the world, I mean, will not sacrifice world prosperity based on differences that arise in trade.

Charlie?

Charlie?
M3
M35:28

对,我觉得两个国家都在进步。当然,中国在经济上进步得更快,因为它的起点更低,而且他们还有一点更多的优势。

Yeah, well, I think that both countries have been advancing, and of course, China is advancing faster economically because it started from a lower base, and they've had a little more virtue.

那就是,他们的高储蓄率几乎比世界上任何国家都高。

Than practically anybody else in the world in having a high savings rate.

当然,一个长期陷于贫困的国家,吸收了世界先进技术,又有很高的储蓄率,发展速度肯定会比英国或美国这样非常成熟的经济体更快。

Of course, a country that was mired in poverty for a long, long time and that assimilates the advanced technology of the world and has a big savings rate is going to advance faster than some very mature economy like Britain or the United States.

而这正是已经发生的事。

And that's what's happened.

不过我觉得我们相处得很好。我非常乐观,相信两国都会足够明智,认识到最不该做的事,就是对对方抱有任何恶意。

But I think we're getting along fine, and I'm very optimistic that both nations will be smart enough to realize that the last thing they should do is have any ill will for the other.
M2
M26:23

好的,Becky Quick。

Okay, Becky Quick.