David Rubenstein on Resilience, Risk, and What Really Drives Success — 文稿

M10:01

美国马里兰州巴尔的摩，Camden Yards 球场。

Camden Yards, Baltimore, Maryland.

这是一座标志性的球场，当然，也是 Baltimore Orioles 的主场。

An iconic ballpark and home, of course, to the Baltimore Orioles.

重点来了。

Here's the punchline.

Baltimore Orioles 的老板，是我的朋友、导师，也是我的老板，David Rubenstein。

The Baltimore Orioles are owned by my friend, mentor, and boss, David Rubenstein.

虽然他是 Carlyle 的联合拥有者和联合创始人，我觉得你会发现，David 最热爱的其实是 baseball。

While he's the co-owner and co-founder of Carlyle, David's passion, I think he would tell you, is baseball.

所以我们会聊聊他的人生、他的成功、他的失败，还有是什么在驱动像 David Rubenstein 这样一位非凡的美国人物，一个金融家、一支体育球队的老板、一位杰出的慈善家。

And so we'll have a conversation about his life, his successes, his failures, what drives the kind of extraordinary American figure, a financier, a sports franchise owner, an extraordinary philanthropist, somebody like David Rubenstein.

这些内容都将在今天这期和我一起做的 Navigating Leadership 里聊到，我是 Admiral Jim Stavridis。

That's all coming up on today's episode of Navigating Leadership with me, Admiral Jim Stavridis.

David，早上好。

David, good morning.

很高兴和你在一起。

It's great to be with you.

M20:52

嗯，我很荣幸能来这里。

Well, my pleasure to be here.

非常感谢你给我这个机会。

Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity.

M10:55

谢谢你。

Well, thank you.

我想先从你在 Carter 政府时期说起，我记得你有一次跟我说过，嗯，在 Carter 政府时期，有些时候我得扮演那个唱反调的人。

I'm going to start back in your days in the Carter administration, I think at one point you said to me, you know, there were times during the Carter administration where I kind of had to be the bad guy.

我得是那个会说，嗯，也许这不是个好主意的人。

I had to be someone who would say, well, maybe that's not such a good idea.

在海军里，我们常说，如果你看到事情出了问题却走过去不管，那这事就算你的。

In the Navy, we say, you know, if you see something going wrong and you walk by it, you own it.

所以，带我回到那个 Carter White House 吧。

So take me back to that Carter White House.

M21:28

嗯，那时候我非常年轻。

Well, I was very young.

我当时 27 岁，离开 law school 也才 3 年。

I was 27 years old and only 3 years out of law school.

我很幸运，因为我在竞选团队里工作，是后来成为 Carter 总统国内事务顾问的那个人的副手，Stuart Eizenstat。

I got lucky because I worked in the campaign as a deputy to the man who became the domestic adviser for President Carter, Stuart Eizenstat.

M11:39

哦，当然。

Oh, sure.

M21:39

所以我后来就在 White House 里成了他的副手。

So I became his deputy in the White House.

我其实并不真正了解 Carter。

I didn't really know Carter.

直到他就职大约一个月后，我才第一次见到 Carter，呃，因为我之前一直在竞选活动里工作，而他当时到处奔走。

I'd never met Carter until about a month after he was inaugurated, uh, because I had worked in the campaign and he was traveling around.

我就是不认识他。

I just didn't know him.

而且我是在 West Wing 里少数几个不来自 Georgia、也确实不怎么了解 Carter 的人之一。

And I was one of the people, uh, in the West Wing who did not come from Georgia and who really didn't know Carter.

所以有时候我会说，嗯，这件事看起来不太合理。

So from time to time I would say, well, this doesn't seem to make sense.

在 Washington 这行不通，尽管我那时候还很年轻。

It's not gonna work in Washington, even though I was a young person.

所以我经常得说，这大概不会奏效。

So very often I had to say, this is probably not gonna work.

然后，你知道，大家就会说，嗯，你什么都不懂。

And, you know, people would say, well, you don't know anything.

你离开 law school 也才 3 年。

You're only 3 years outta law school.

我们认识 President Carter。

We know President Carter.

这就是他想做的事。

This is what he wants to do.

所以你知道，你也知道，当你试着跟别人说，这行不通的时候，有时候别人会反驳你，有时候人们也可能会听你的。

So, you know, you, as you know, when you try to say to somebody, this isn't gonna work, sometimes you get people pushing back and sometimes people might listen to you.

M12:18

我唯一能拿来比较的，就是我有两年基本上是 Donald Rumsfeld 的幕僚长，你怎么反驳都行，但他根本听不进去。

All I can compare that to, I spent 2 years as effectively the Chief of Staff to Donald Rumsfeld, and you could push back all you want, and it never penetrated.

让我再把你带回 White House 一次，回到 Carter 那个时期。

Let me take you back to the White House one more time in the world of Carter.

这是个关于 David 的韧性，以及事情出错时会发生什么的问题。

And it's a question, David, about resiliency and what happens when something goes wrong.

所以 Jimmy Carter 当然也非常非常想要第二个总统任期，大家其实都一样，但他失败了。

So Jimmy Carter famously desperately wanted, like they all do, a second term as president, but he failed.

最后他在那场选举里输了，正如我们都知道的那样，输给了 Ronald Reagan。

He lost in that election, ultimately, as we all know, to Ronald Reagan.

所以你要离开 White House 了。

So you're leaving the White House.

你把好几年都奉献给了 Carter White House。

You've devoted years to the Carter White House.

那是什么感觉？

How did that feel?

M23:03

那大概是我职业生涯的最低点。

That was probably the low point of my professional career.

M13:06

还好我提到了。

Glad I brought it up.

M23:08

因为整整 4 年，我都在 White House，27 岁、28 岁、29 岁、30 岁。

Because for 4 years, I'm at the White House, 27, 28, 29, 30 years old.

人们一直在夸我多聪明、多出色，我在 West Wing 还有自己的办公室。

People are telling me how smart I am, how wonderful I am, my office in the West Wing.

一直都有人来游说我，等等。

People were lobbying me all the time and so forth.

而且，呃，你还会见到很多名人，他们都来 White House。

And, uh, you're meeting famous people, come to the White House.

嗯，大家都说，如果你哪天想找工作，给我打电话。

Um, and everybody said, if you ever want a job, call me up.

我说，我会在第二个任期里继续待在这里，那我为什么还需要找工作？

I said, I'm going to be here in the second term, so why do I need a job?

当我们输给 Ronald Reagan 的时候，我们是被彻底击溃了，那场选举是大溃败。

When we lost the election to Ronald Reagan, and we got blown out, it was a blowout election.

呃，Carter 输了，我记得好像是 489 比 49。

Uh, Carter lost, I think it was 489 to 49.

M13:34

对，几乎丢了每一个州。

Yeah, like almost every state.

M23:36

我们输了，呃，几乎所有的州。

We lost, uh, almost every state.

那是场惨败。

It was a blowout.

突然之间，我开始给人打电话说，嗯，记得吗，我就是那个你们说过，呃，想雇的人。

All of a sudden, I started calling people saying, well, remember, I'm the guy you said, you know, you want to hire.

没人会回我电话。

Nobody would call me back.

因为在 Reagan 时代，谁会想要一个 Carter White House 的幕僚，或者一个前 Carter White House 幕僚呢？

Because who wanted a Carter White House aide or an ex-Carter White House aide in the era of Reagan?

这其实和现在在 Joe Biden 政府里工作的人所发现的情况很像。

And it's not unlike what people who worked in Joe Biden's administration are now finding.

因为如果你在 Biden 政府里是个高层人物，而且那时候很重要，那么现在，可能因为 President Trump 对 Biden 的看法，这些人很难找到工作。

Because if you were a senior person in the Biden administration and you were important at that time, now because of President Trump's views probably on Biden, these people have a hard time getting a job.

他们也很难接到演讲邀约。

They have a hard time getting speaking assignments.

这没那么容易。

It's not that easy.

在 Carter 身上也是一样。

The same thing was true in Carter.

现在，Ronald Reagan 并不担心那些前 Carter 幕僚，不管他们有没有找到工作。

Now, Ronald Reagan didn't worry about the ex-Carter aides, whether they were getting jobs or not.

但说到底，没人想雇我们。

But truth is, nobody wanted to hire us.

所以我是独生子。

So I'm an only child.

我父母都是蓝领工人。

My parents are blue-collar workers.

我母亲就说，David，那你打算怎么办？

And my mother was saying, well, David, what are you going to do?

你没有工作啊。

You don't have a job.

我说，嗯，我有这么多 offer，都不知道该选哪一个。

I said, well, I have so many offers, I don't know which one to take.

M14:25

是啊。

Yeah.

M24:26

说实话，我一个 offer 都没有。

The truth is, I didn't have any offers.

最后，过了 6 个月，终于有人可怜我。

And finally, after 6 months, somebody felt sorry for me.

他们给了我一份律师工作，但不是在大律所当 partner

They gave me a job practicing law, but it wasn't as a partner

。

in a major firm.

而是 senior associate。

It was as a senior associate.

我得一步一步熬上去，才能成为 partner。

I had to work my way up to be a partner.

所以那段经历让我很受打击，但我从中学到了很多，也就是，你知道，当你遇到逆境时，你必须继续往前走。

So it was humbling and I learned a lot from it, which is, you know, when you, when you have adversity, you've got to push forward.

如果你只是闷闷不乐，知道吧，生活只会越来越糟。

If you just mope around, you know, life is going to get worse.

比如在 Jimmy Carter 那个例子里，他当时觉得自己大概会连任，部分原因是，虽然我们有通胀，但我们也有人质危机。

In Jimmy Carter's case, for example, he thought he was probably going to get reelected in part because while we had inflation, we had hostages.

他一直觉得我们会把人质救出来，那就会是一个突破。

He always thought we'd get the hostages out and that would be a breakthrough.

但他并没有把 Ronald Reagan 当回事。

But he didn't take Ronald Reagan seriously.

作为一个有头脑的人。

As an intellect.

他觉得 Reagan 只是个演员。

He thought Reagan was just an actor.

他在这点上判断错了，所以他才觉得自己会赢。

He made a mistake in that regard, and therefore he thought he would win.

而且大多数 White House 团队都觉得，他们比其他所有人都更了解局势，因为他们拿到的信息比别人都更全。

And most White House staffs have a view that they know more about what's going on than everybody else because they get all the information better than anybody else.

所以 Carter 一直到最后最后都还觉得自己会赢。

So Carter thought he would win up until the very, very end.

后来他输掉以后，他们回到 Plains，才意识到他们的花生生意几乎已经破产了。

And then when he lost, they came back to Plains and they realized that their peanut business had almost gone bankrupt.

已经接近破产了。

It was near bankruptcy.

M15:24

是啊。

Yeah.

M25:25

所以他失去了总统职位。

So he's lost the presidency.

他没钱建总统图书馆。

He doesn't have the money to build a presidential library.

呃，基本上也没人真想给他安排演讲之类的工作。

Um, no one really wants to give him a speaking assignment or anything like that.

而且他也几乎是破产了。

And he's more or less broke.

M15:34

对。

Yeah.

M25:35

所以这对他来说真的很打击自尊，也非常艰难。

So it was really humbling for him and very difficult.

然后很有意思的是，在接下来的44年里，他又重新站了起来，所以当他回到 Washington 参加他的追悼仪式时，虽然那时他已经100岁了，活到了100岁，人们赞扬的是他在这44年里做过的事。

And then interestingly, over the next 44 years, he reestablished himself so that when he came back to Washington for the memorial service for him, but at the age of 100, when he lived to 100, people were lauding him for what he had done in the 44 years.

不是他当总统那4年里做过的事。

Not what he had done in the 4 years as president.

M15:55

对，很多人常说，他是我们有过的最好的前总统。

Yeah, often people say he's the best ex-president we ever had.

而且，你知道，这话可能还真有几分道理，不过我还是想继续说这个点。

And, you know, there might be some truth to that, but I want to stay on the point of continuing on.

所以你离开 White House，正如你说的，现在你进了某种法律圈子，在一家律所工作。

And so you come out of the White House, as you say, now you're in a kind of in the, in the land of legal, working at a law firm.

我知道你并不喜欢那一切，但现在我们说到创立这件事了。你能讲讲那个故事，还有这名字到底是怎么来的？

I know you didn't love all of that, but now we come to the founding. Can you kind of tell that story and where the heck does the name come from?

M26:26

嗯，关于这件事有几条。

Well, a couple of things about it.

没人会因为讨厌自己做的事而拿到 Nobel Prize。

Nobody's ever won a Nobel Prize hating what they do.

你得热爱你做的事。

You have to love what you do.

如果你不爱做律师这行，你就不可能做得特别好。

And if you don't love practicing law, you're not going to be great at it.

而我并不喜欢做律师。

And I didn't love practicing law.

我的客户也提醒我，我不是那么好的律师。

My clients reminded me I wasn't that great a lawyer.

于是我读到一个人做了一种叫 leveraged buyout 的交易。

And so I read about a man who had done what's called a leveraged buyout.

Bill Simon，前 Treasury Secretary，买了一家叫 Gibson Greetings 的公司，他自己投了100万美元。

Bill Simon, former Secretary of the Treasury, had bought a company called Gibson Greetings, and he put in $1 million of his own money.

18个月后，他把公司卖掉了，在100万美元的投资上赚了8000万美元。

And 18 months later, he sold it and he made $80 million on a million-dollar investment.

我说，我不知道 leveraged buyout 到底是什么，但那大概率比当律师强。

I said, I don't know what that leveraged buyout is, but that's probably better than practicing law.

所以我决定试着在 Washington 创办第一家 private equity firm。

So I decided I would try to start the first private equity firm in Washington.

那时候 private equity 这个词甚至还没被发明出来。

The phrase private equity hadn't even been invented yet.

我们当时叫它们 buyout firms。

We called them buyout firms.

而且我找不到足够有金融经验的人一起做这件事。

And I couldn't get people that had enough finance experience to come together to do it.

我那会儿大概还是可以当律师。

I was maybe going to be a lawyer.

虽然我不是个很好的律师，但我愿意给这个项目当律师。

I wasn't a great lawyer, but I would offer to be a lawyer for it.

最后我招到了足够多的人，我们就把它做起来了。

And eventually I recruited enough people that we could start it.

不过我们没有钱，所以我们出去募了大约500万美元，让公司能起步。

And we didn't have any money, so we went out and raised about $5 million to get us off the ground.

有一位创始合伙人很崇拜一位叫 André Meyer 的金融家，他是 Lazard Frères 的负责人，而他的传记最近刚出版。

One of the founding partners admired a financier named André Meyer, who was the head of Lazard Frères, and his biography had come out recently.

他当时住在 Carlyle Hotel，过着一种我合伙人很向往的生活，就是一个单身男人住在纽约的 Carlyle Hotel，同时经营一家大型金融公司的那种生活方式。

And he was a man who lived in the Carlyle Hotel, and he had a lifestyle that my partner aspired to have, a single-man lifestyle living in the Carlyle Hotel in New York and running a big finance firm.

所以 Carlyle 这个名字当时是可以用的。

So the Carlyle name was available.

那些常见的希腊和罗马名字，我们都念不出来。

All the usual Greek and Roman names we couldn't pronounce.

所以我们就说，那就叫 Carlyle 吧。

So we said, Carlyle it is.

M17:46

嗯，作为一个姓 Stavridis 的人，我觉得我肯定进不了那家公司。

Well, as someone with the last name Stavridis, I think that would never have been part of the firm.

大概八年前，你很慷慨地邀请我加入公司，而我在这里的每一分钟都很喜欢。

You were kind enough to invite me to join the firm about 8 years ago, and I've loved every minute of it.

我喜欢 private equity 这一块，也喜欢我们在 private credit、wealth management 方面做的事情。

And I love the private equity part, but also the things we do in private credit, wealth management.

不过前几天有人问我，Admiral，你觉得 private equity 怎么样？

But someone asked me the other day, you know, Admiral, how do you like private equity?

我就说，嗯，差不多就是你刚才说的那个意思。

And I said, well, kind of your point.

我说，如果三十年前你就跟我讲 private equity，那我可能就不会当 admiral 了，但我会有一艘特别大的船。

I said, well, if you had told me about private equity 30 years ago, I wouldn't be an admiral, but I would have a really big boat.

所以这一切确实有价值，既有个人层面的价值，也有那种成为比自己更大的事业的一部分、并且承担风险的意义。

So there is some value in all of this, both the personal, but also the idea of being part of something bigger than yourself and taking risk.

你们创办 Carlyle 的时候，你觉得自己承担了多大的风险？

How much risk did you feel you were taking on when you guys founded Carlyle?

M28:40

嗯，当时我其实没有太多东西需要放弃。

Well, at the time, I didn't have that much I was giving up.

M18:43

确实。

True.

M28:44

不过我的合伙人当时都有相当不错的工作。

My partners, though, had pretty good jobs.

Dan D'Aniello 当时是 Marriott 一位级别不低的高管。

Dan D'Aniello was a reasonably senior officer at Marriott.

Bill Conway 是 MCI 的首席财务官，MCI 是一家当时非常有影响力的电信公司。

Bill Conway was the chief financial officer of MCI, a telecommunications company that was very prominent at the time.

所以他们确实是在放弃一些东西。

And so they were giving up something.

我也常常想，他们当时到底是怎么决定这么做的。

And I often wondered how they decided to do it.

这个问题有不同的答案，不过他们确实愿意冒这个风险。

And, you know, there's different answers, but now, they were willing to take a risk.

他们当时都快三十多岁、接近四十了。

They were all in their late 30s.

我读到过一种说法，说 entrepreneur 通常会在二十五岁到三十七岁之间创办自己的第一家公司。

And, you know, I read that an entrepreneur will start his or her first company between 25 and 37.

如果到三十七岁你还没有开始一个创业项目，那你之后这么做的机会就非常非常小了。

And if by the age of 37 you haven't started an entrepreneurial venture, your chances of doing so are very, very limited.

M19:20

哇。

Wow.

M29:20

我读到这句话的时候，刚好三十七岁。

And I read that when I was 37.

我就说，糟了，如果我三十七岁之前不开始一个创业项目，我这辈子就得一直做律师了。

I said, uh-oh, if I don't start an entrepreneurial venture by 37, I'm gonna be stuck practicing law my entire life.

而我做律师其实没那么出色。

And I'm not that good at that.

M19:28

是啊。

Yeah.

M29:28

所以我决定，就在三十七岁试试看。

So I decided I would try to do it at 37.

你知道，如果当时我去纽约，对那里的 investment bankers 或 private equity firms 说，我要在 Washington, D.C. 创办一家公司，我们要做 private equity，他们肯定会笑，因为在那个年代，谁会在乎 Washington 呢？

You know, if I'd gone to New York and said to investment bankers or private equity firms there, I'm going to start a firm in Washington, D.C., and we're going to do private equity, they would laugh because who would care about Washington in those days?

但我们的重点就是这个。

But our focus was this.

我说，我们要做的就是想办法让它利用我们的处境。

I said, what we're going to do is try to make it take advantage of our situation.

现在，来自伊利诺伊州的前参议院少数党领袖 Everett Dirksen 以前有句名言，说的是，当你要被赶出城的时候，就走到队伍前面，假装自己在领头游行。

Now, Everett Dirksen, a former Senate minority leader from Illinois, once famously said, when you're getting kicked out of town, get out in front and pretend you're leading a parade.

那这是什么意思呢？

Now, what does that mean?

“利用”就是要利用你所处的局面。

Take advantage means take advantage of the situation you're in.

所以我们的处境就是，我们在 Washington，不是在 New York。

So our situation is we're in Washington, we're not in New York.

所以我说，我们比 New York 的那些人更懂那些受联邦政府严重影响的公司。

So I said, we understand companies heavily affected by the federal government better than the guys in New York.

最典型的就是 aerospace 和 defense 公司，它们受到联邦政府的严格监管。

And most prominently was aerospace and defense companies, which are heavily regulated by the federal government.

所以我们刚开始不久，就请进来一位叫 Frank Carlucci 的人，他曾在 Ronald Reagan 手下担任 Secretary of Defense。

And so we did bring in very shortly after we started a man named Frank Carlucci, who was Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan.

而他给了我们的信誉，比我们原本已经有的还要高得多。

And he gave us a lot more credibility than we already had.

所以这非常有帮助。

And therefore it was very helpful.

然后也因为这个，我们做了一些 aerospace defense 的交易。

And then we got into some aerospace defense deals because of that.

M110:26

对。

Yeah.

而且当然，前 Secretary of State James Baker，在某种程度上也在公司里扮演了那个角色。

And of course, James Baker, former Secretary of State, kind of also fulfilled that role at the firm.

公司确实有很多非常棒的 Washington 人脉。

There'd been a lot of really wonderful Washington connections with the firm.

不过今天，我们也开始非常非常强势地进入 New York 的世界。

But today we're starting to move also very, very strongly in the world of New York.

如今管理的资产已经接近 5000 亿美元。

Now at almost $500 billion in assets under management.

你觉得这是怎么回事？

What do you think is going on?

现在到底是什么在推动 Carlyle？

What's working for Carlyle at the moment?

M210:52

嗯，我们这些年的业绩一直还不错。

Well, our track record has been pretty good over years.

我们现在已经投资了 30 多年，表现相当好。

We've been investing now for more than 30 years and it's done pretty well.

因此，人们觉得这个品牌很好，也会对它感到放心。

And as a result of that, people think the brand name is good and people feel comfort in it.

人们把钱交给你时，想要的是确保这些钱会被安全管理，而且最后能连本带利拿回来。

What people want when they give you money is they want to be sure that the money is going to be safely managed and they're going to get it back with a profit.

而我们已经在过去 30 多年里做到了这一点。

And so we've been able to do that for some 30-plus years.

在 Carlyle 创业早期，我们有 Jim Baker、John Major、Frank Carlucci，还有 George Herbert Walker Bush 担任顾问。

When we had early on in our career at Carlyle, we had Jim Baker, John Major, Frank Carlucci, George Herbert Walker Bush as an advisor.

人们就会想，嗯，既然这些人都参与了，那它一定是个可信的机构。

People thought, well, if these people are involved with it, it must be a reputable organization.

所以这确实起作用了。

And so it did work out.

现在其他人、其他公司也在做同样的事。

Now other people and other firms doing the same thing.

他们也会请前政府人员来给自己增加一些信誉，或者提供某个领域的专业经验。

They bring in former government people to give them some credibility or expertise in a given area.

但今天，虽然我们总部在 Washington, D.C.，而且我们对 Washington 的理解依然非常非常强，但我们在 New York City 的人可能比在 Washington, D.C. 的还要多。

But today, while we're based in Washington, D.C., and our understanding of Washington is still very, very good, we probably have more people in New York City than we have in Washington, D.C.

M111:43

嗯，这让我想到长寿，还有你是怎么一直坚持下去的，以及你是怎么建立起声誉的。

Well, this kind of gets me thinking about longevity and how you keep going and how you build a reputation.

而且如果我可以稍微换个话题，我们这次是在 Camden Yards 做这场演讲。

And if I can kind of shift gears, we're doing this talk at Camden Yards.

M211:57

当它在 92 年开放的时候，大家都很惊叹，因为他们说，我们实际上是在一个现代化的环境里，建了一座老派的棒球场。

When this was opened in '92, people were marveling at it because they said we're actually building an old-fashioned baseball stadium in a modern kind of setting.

而从那以后，美国建的每一座棒球场，都沿用了这个模式。

And every baseball stadium built in the United States since then has followed this model.

M112:09

沿用了这个模式。

Followed this model.

M212:10

但我会怎么做呢，我一开始会先在老板包厢里，跟所有人打招呼。

But what I do is I actually start out in the owner's box, greeting all the people.

然后，如果我有个私下会议，我就会去 bunker。

Then, if I have a private meeting, I'll go to the bunker.

但接着我会下到场边。

But then I go down to the field.

我们就在第一排有个座位。

We have a seat right in the first row.

所以我就坐在那里，给球迷扔帽子和棒球。

And so I sit there and I throw out hats to fans and baseballs.

M112:24

哦，那太棒了。

Oh, that's great.

M212:25

但我通常都会这么做。

But I usually do that.

去年这一年，我只有在我们领先的时候才这么做。

This past year, I only did it when we were ahead.

对。

Yeah.

因为我不想在我们落后的时候还下去。

Because I didn't want to go down there when we were behind.

M112:31

就像你是个新手，像 Jim Stavridis，你知道的，一个 shortstop。

Like you're a rookie, you're Jim Stavridis, you know, a shortstop.

顺便说一句，我可是个很棒的 shortstop。

By the way, I am an excellent shortstop.

M212:38

你以前是个很厉害的壁球选手。

Well, you were a great squash player.

M112:39

是的。

I was.

我是 All-American。

I was an All-American.

但是，呃，现在我在这儿。

But, um, now here I am.

我是个新手。

I'm a rookie.

我刚进到这里来。

I'm coming in here.

我的储物柜在哪儿？

Where's my locker?

那个词是这么说的吗？

Is that the right word?

我的小格子间？

My cubbyhole?

我是说，这要怎么定？

I mean, how do who decides that?

队长吗？

The team captain?

M212:54

不，可能是老板。

No, it probably isn't the owner.

但是，呃，嗯，我，我不知道。

But, uh, um, I, I don't know.

嗯，你知道，现在你可以随便选一个你想要的。

Uh, you know, right now you can have any one that you want.

你想要哪一个？

Which one do you want?

你想要哪个都行。

Anyone you want.

M113:06

我们上去看看这个。

Let's go up and look at this.

M213:08

不过我也可以带你看看经理办公室，也许你也会想要那个办公室。

But I'll show you the manager's office and maybe you want that office too.

M113:12

哇。

Wow.

哇。

Wow.

看看这个。

Look at this.

天哪。

Gosh.

M213:21

给你。

There you go.

M113:24

正合我尺寸。

Just my size.

M213:27

给你。

There you go.

M113:30

现在，16。

Now, 16.

我是 NATO 的第16任盟军最高司令。

I was the 16th Supreme Allied Commander in NATO.

这，这很有意义。

That's, that's pretty meaningful.

而且我在 Naval Academy 时，是第16连，那时候我第一次看到 Orioles 的比赛。

And I was in the 16th Company at the Naval Academy, which is when I saw my very first Orioles game.

他们把整个旅都带去看老球场。

They took the whole brigade to see the old stadium.

M213:50

Memorial Stadium。

Memorial Stadium.

M113:51

对。

Yeah.

哇。

Wow.

谢谢你，David。

Thank you, David.

我会好好珍藏它的。

I will treasure that.

谢谢。

Thank you.

说到耐力、打造一个品牌，以及从长远看真正做到可靠，我想深入聊两个词，Cal Ripken。

I want to drill down, speaking of endurance and creating a brand and really being reliable over the long term, with two words, Cal Ripken.

先说明一下，我最好的朋友和同学之一，跟你一样，是个疯狂的 Baltimore Orioles 球迷。

So, full disclosure, one of my best friends and classmates is like you and a crazy Baltimore Orioles fan.

而且他给自己的一个女儿取名叫 Ripken。

And he named one of his daughters Ripken.

她的名字就叫 Ripken。

That's her first name, Ripken.

我的意思是，说到长久，我们就会想到 Cal Ripken，想到那段不可思议的连续出场纪录。

My point is, as we look at longevity, we think of Cal Ripken, this incredible streak.

你能从 Cal Ripken 身上学到什么？

What can you take away from Cal Ripken?

你一定很了解他，而且像我们所有人一样都很敬佩他吧。

You must know him pretty well and admire him as we all do.

跟我聊聊长寿和耐力吧。

Give me some thoughts on longevity and endurance.

M214:39

嗯，先说一下，如果那个人想和 Ripken 一起去看比赛，请让他给我打电话。

And well, first, please have that person call me if they would like to come to the game with Ripken.

我很想让她来见见 Cal Ripken。

I'd love to have her come and meet Cal Ripken.

就是他本人。

Himself.

M114:49

我的天哪！

Oh my God!

M214:50

当我同意收购 Orioles 的时候，我请 Cal Ripken 加入所有权团队，并且比以前更深入地参与 Orioles，他也答应了。

When I agreed to buy the Orioles, I asked Cal Ripken to be part of the ownership group and get more involved in the Orioles than he had been, and he agreed to do so.

他是个了不起的人。

He's an incredible person.

我们刚刚庆祝了他打破 Lou Gehrig 纪录 30 周年。

We just celebrated the 30th anniversary of his breaking Lou Gehrig's record.

Lou Gehrig 曾连续出战 2,130 场比赛，然后在 1995 年，Cal Ripken 出战了 2,131 场。

Lou Gehrig had played in 2,130 games in a row, and then in 1995, Cal Ripken played in 2,131.

但后来他又打了更多场比赛，他连续出战了 2,632 场，17 年里一场都没缺席。

But he subsequently played in more games, and he played in 2,632 games consecutively, didn't miss a game for 17 years.

M115:21

太惊人了。

That's amazing.

M215:21

所以，能够一直坚持下去，而且，呃，不去担心这里那里一点小伤小痛，真的就是坚持和领导力。

So the ability to just be persistent and, and, uh, not, you know, worry about a little nagging injury here or there, it's really persistence and leadership.

他是个非常出色的领导者。

He was an incredible leader.

所以我们一直在寻找这样的人，但短时间内大概不会再有第二个像 Cal Ripken 这样的人了。

And so we're always looking for leaders like that, but there's not likely to be somebody else like Cal Ripken anytime soon.

M115:36

最后我想用一个开放式问题来收尾，David，就是你的人生取得了难以置信的成功，但其中很大一部分是服务他人，服务国家。

Let me close by just kind of an open-ended question, David, which is you've had an unbelievably successful life, but a big component of it has been serving others, serving the nation.

我想到的是你做出的那些非凡的慈善贡献。

I think of the extraordinary philanthropic contributions you made.

我特别想到两件事。

I'll give you 2 in particular that jump into my mind.

一件是 Magna Carta。

One is the Magna Carta.

我第一次见到你的时候，天哪，15 年、20 年前吧，我们聊到你刚刚把它买下来。

When I first met you, gosh, 15, 20 years ago, we talked about you had just bought it.

这对 United States 来说是一份了不起的礼物。

An amazing gift to the United States.

还有第二件，对我来说就是 African American Museum。

And then the second for me is the African American Museum.

走在里面，看着你为这样一件重要的事情做出的贡献程度。

Walking through there, seeing the level of contribution you made to something so important.

这两件事非常不同，但你的慈善事业遍及各处。

Those are 2 very different things, but your philanthropy goes everywhere.

它惠及每一个人。

It serves everyone.

是什么驱动着你在这方面一直投入？

What drives you in that regard?

M216:31

我不是在富裕环境里长大的，我家里也不是那种经常会提到 philanthropy 这个词的家庭。

I didn't grow up wealthy, and I didn't have a household where philanthropy was a commonly mentioned word.

我的父母都是蓝领，谁也没读完高中。

My parents were blue-collar workers, neither graduated from high school.

但当我在商界走运之后，我就想，我该拿这笔财富做什么呢？

But when I got lucky in the business world, I decided, what do you want me to do with this wealth?

就是死了以后，成为墓地里最富的人吗？

Just die and be the richest person in the cemetery?

那又有什么用呢？

What good would that do?

还是说，就把我所有的钱都留给我的孩子？

Or just leave all my money to my children?

那会让他们成为更好的人吗？

Is that going to make them better humans?

我觉得，我应该回馈这个国家，因为正是这个国家让我有机会真正取得成功。

I thought I should give back to the country that made it possible for me to actually be successful.

所以我一直努力做很多不同的事情。

So I've tried to do a lot of different things.

其中一件事，就是提醒人们记住这个国家的历史和传承。

One of them is remind people of the history and heritage of this country.

所以，不管是购买历史文献，还是修复历史建筑，都是在提醒人们这个国家的历史和传承，因为我们现在真的不怎么教公民教育了。

So buying historic documents or fixing historic buildings is reminding people of the history and heritage of the country because we don't really teach civics very much anymore.

结果就是，很少有人真正了解我们的历史。

And as a result, very few people know much about our history.

我们现在正准备庆祝这个国家诞生二百五十周年。

We're now getting ready to celebrate the 250th anniversary of this country's birth.

M117:14

太了不起了。

Amazing.

M217:14

所以我是在用我自己很小的方式，努力让人们更多地了解它。

So I'm trying to get people to know more about it in my little way.

我也希望这能让人们对这个国家更有自豪感。

And I hope that that makes people feel more proud about the country.

我们把这个国家，从一七七六年只有三百万人，发展成了现在大约三亿四千万人口的国家。

We've taken this country, which was 3 million people in 1776, to a country now with about 340 million people.

而且我们在经济、军事、政治等等方面，都是世界上最强大的国家。

But we are the most powerful country in the world economically, militarily, politically, and so forth.

我们是怎么做到的？

How did we do that?

有哪些东西让我们变得如此强大，而这些东西又是我们未来必须延续下去的，这样我们才能继续成为一个强大的国家？

And what are the things that made us so strong that we had to replicate in the future so we continue to be a strong country?

我们所有人都为自己的国家感到自豪。美国人为我们的国家感到自豪，但我们也想确保，我们能把这个国家建设得比现在更好。

All of us are proud of our country. Americans are proud of our country, but we want to make sure we can be a better country than it already is.

M117:45

是啊，而且我相信你也知道，Ken Burns 有一部关于 American Revolution 的非凡纪录片系列快要出来了。

Yeah, and you know this, I'm sure, but Ken Burns has one of his extraordinary documentary series coming out about the American Revolution.

我已经设法看了一部分。

I've managed to watch a bit of it.

哇，里面真是充满了领导力的 lessons，从 George Washington 那种绝对的决心，到 founding fathers 炽热的理念，再到那场最终成功的革命斗争中展现出来的全部韧性。

And boy, is it full of leadership lessons from George Washington's absolute determination, the fiery ideology of the founding fathers, to all of the resilience shown in that successful, ultimately revolutionary struggle.

M218:18

Ken 做得非常出色。

Ken did an incredible job.

他可能会说，在西方社会、西方文明里，从基督诞生以来，最重要的事件就是 American Revolution，因为 American Revolution 激发了世界各地的革命。

He would say that probably in Western society, Western civilization, from the time of the birth of Christ, the most significant event was the American Revolution because the American Revolution inspired revolutions around the world.

而英语里最著名的一句话，就来自 Revolutionary War。

And the most famous sentence in the English language comes from the Revolutionary War.

它就在 Declaration of Independence 的序言里。

It's in the preamble to the Declaration of Independence.

我们认为这些真理是不言而喻的：人人生而平等，造物主赋予他们某些不可剥夺的权利，其中包括生命、自由和追求幸福的权利。

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they're endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

这已经成为我们国家的信条。

That's become the creed of our country.

尽管当时我们还有奴隶制，而且之后很多年也一直存在奴隶制，但人人平等这个理念，真正的意思是每个人都有平等的机会，这正是这个国家信条的核心。

Even though we had slavery at the time and we had slavery for many years after that, the idea that everybody is equal and really means everybody has an equal opportunity is what the creed of this country's all about.

所以，当我们研究 American Revolution 的时候，我们应该提醒自己，这就是那个信条的来源，而我们也应该努力活出这个信条。

And so, as we study the American Revolution, we should remind ourselves this is where the creed came from, and we ought to try to live up to that creed.

M119:09

阿门。

Amen.

而且这真是，一场精彩谈话的绝佳结尾。

And what a, a great conclusion to a wonderful talk.

David，非常感谢你。

David, thank you so much.

M219:15

我的荣幸。

My pleasure.

M119:16

谢谢。

Thank you.

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