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Soul Searching, Soul Food, and the Upside Down: The Moth Radio Hour

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这里是 The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是主持人 Suzanne Rust。

I'm your host, Suzanne Rust.

策划一期 The Moth Radio Hour,是一个过程。

Curating a Moth Radio Hour is a process.

有时候,它会从某个特定故事或者某个主题带来的灵感开始,那是某种会在我们个人层面打动我们的东西。

Sometimes it begins with the inspiration of a particular story or a theme, something that calls to us personally.

我们做过一些节目,灵感来自鞋子、信件、传说,甚至还有绿色这个颜色。

We've had episodes inspired by shoes, letters, legends, and even the color green.

从那里开始,我们会听遍我们的档案库,去找其他放在一起很搭的故事,然后开始制作这一小时的节目。

From there, we'll listen through our archive to find other stories that play well together and then start producing the hour.

但有些时候,这个过程又不一样。

But other times, the process is different.

可能只是有那么几篇我们很喜欢的故事,可它们并不适合放进某个明确的类别里,于是这一小时就变得像一床拼布被,有不同的质地、颜色和图案,就像这一期一样,我把它叫作 Soul Searching, Soul Food, and the Upside Down,这个标题是什么意思,听下去你就会明白。

There might just be a handful of stories we love that don't fit into a specific category, and the hour becomes like a quilt with different textures, colors, and patterns, like this hour, which I call Soul Searching, Soul Food, and the Upside Down, a title which you'll figure out as we go along.

首先出场的是 Alzo Slade,

First up is Alzo Slade,

他是在 Texas 的 Austin 讲的这个故事,当时我们和 Paramount Theatre 合作举办活动。

who told this in Austin, Texas, where we partnered with the Paramount Theatre.

有请 Alzo,在 The Moth 现场。

Here's Alzo, live at The Moth.
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那是一个星期六的早上。

It's Saturday morning.

我八岁,就住在这里,Texas 的 Austin。

I'm 8 years old, living right here in Austin, Texas.

那还是以前的年代,动画片只有星期六才播,所以我穿着我的 Green Lantern Underoos 睡衣,一屁股坐在电视机前,看 Scooby-Doo。

Now, this is back in the day when cartoons only came on on Saturdays, so I'm plopped down in front of my TV set wearing my Green Lantern Underoos pajamas, watching Scooby-Doo.

我刚刚倒了一碗新鲜的 Cocoa Krispies,加了冰冰的牛奶,我们都知道,吃着吃着它就会变成好喝的巧克力牛奶。

I just poured a fresh bowl of Cocoa Krispies with ice-cold milk that we all know turns into delicious chocolate milk as you eat it.

各位,那可是属于我的时间。

Folks, this was my time.

是我从八岁人生的压力中,必须要有的一段休息。

A necessary break from the stresses of 8-year-old life.

可就在我的专属时间里,我爸决定叫我去倒垃圾。

And it was during my time that my dad decides to tell me to take the trash out.

我心里想,爸,你明明刚看见我倒了这碗新鲜的麦片。

And I'm thinking to myself, Dad, I know you just watched me pour this fresh bowl of cereal.

而且所有人都知道,Rice Krispies 变软的临界点特别低。

And everyone knows Rice Krispies has a very low soggy threshold.

所以你不能中途停下来,不然最后就会从噼啪、咔嚓,变成一碗糊糊。

So you can't take a break or else you'll end up with snap, crackle, slop.

于是我问了我爸一个我觉得非常合理的问题。

So I asked my dad what I thought to be a very reasonable question.

我能等到广告时间再去倒垃圾吗?

Can I wait until commercial break to take the trash out?

他说不行。

He says no.

这在我看来完全说不通。

Now, this doesn't make sense to me.

而且哪怕我当时才八岁,只要事情对我来说说不通,我就会有问题。

And even at the young age of 8, when things didn't make sense to me, I had questions.

比如,为什么大人打仗就可以,可我在学校打架就要惹麻烦?

Like, why is it okay for adults to fight in war, but I get in trouble for fighting in school?

Smurfette 怎么会是 Smurf Village 里唯一的女性?

How is it that Smurfette is the only woman in the Smurf Village?

我还在食堂里跟朋友们争论过,吸管到底是一个洞还是两个洞。

And I got in an argument with my friends in the cafeteria over whether a straw has one hole or two.

所以我爸的要求,对我来说就是不合理。

So my dad's demand, it didn't make sense to me.

所以我就问了这么一句:嘿,爸,从现在到广告时间这段时间,垃圾会发生什么事,非得让我现在拿出去倒呢?

So I asked the question, hey, Dad, what's gonna happen to the trash between now and a commercial break to where I should take it out?
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哦!

Oh!
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那真是——那真不是个好主意。

That was— that was not a very good idea.

我没能看到那集 Scooby-Doo 结束,而且我今天还能活着,简直是个奇迹。

I didn't make it to the end of the Scooby-Doo episode, and it's a wonder that I'm still alive today.

不过我也因此第一次明白,有些问题问出来是有风险的。

But I did get a glimpse into the idea that certain questions come with a risk.

我爱我的父母。

Now, I love my parents.

我非常尊重他们。

I have the utmost respect for them.

他们以 Christianity 为根基,把我培养成一个好人。

They raised me to be a good human being using Christianity as the foundation.

他们通过自己的榜样,也通过那本 Good Book,也就是 B-I-B-L-E,《离开人世前的基本指南》,教我什么是善与恶,什么是对与错。

They taught me good and evil, right and wrong through example and the Good Book, the B-I-B-L-E, Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.

更重要的是,他们反复强调,Jesus Christ 是我的 Lord and Savior,只要我相信并且承认这一点,那么我死后就会上天堂。

And more importantly, they emphasized that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and if I believe that and confess, then when I die, I go to heaven.

所以很明显,我是在教会里长大的。

So it's clear that I was raised in the church.

同时,他们也培养我要有批判性思维。

I was also raised to be a critical thinker.

所以我就是 Sunday school 里那个会琢磨的孩子:为什么牧师讲道的时候,我不能问他问题呢?

So I was that kid in Sunday school wondering, why can't I ask the preacher a question while he's preaching?

Communion 对我来说一直很奇怪,因为他们告诉我,我是在喝血、吃肉。

Communion was always strange to me because they're telling me I'm drinking blood and eating flesh.

我还记得我受 baptize 的时候,他们把我按进水里,再把我拉起来,整个教会都在欢呼。

And I remember when I got baptized, they dunked me into the water, brought me up, the whole church was cheering.

礼拜结束后,大家走过来对我说,恭喜你,你感觉自己像个新人了吗?

And after service, people coming up to me saying, congratulations, do you feel like a new man?

他们那么兴奋,我为了礼貌就说是的,可说真的,我只是觉得自己湿透了。

They were so excited, I said yes to be polite, but really, I just felt wet.

你知道,我那时候还是个孩子,所以这些问题大多只是出于新鲜的好奇,还有小孩子的那种好奇心。

You know, I was a kid, so most of these questions were just rooted in novel curiosity and, you know, childhood wonder.

我一出生就在教会里。

I was born into the church.

我一出生就进入了 Christianity。

I was born into Christianity.

唱诗班的歌声,tambourine 的节奏,穿着西装的 deacons,戴着帽子、穿着裙子的 mothers。

The choir singing, the tambourine playing, the deacons in their suits, the mothers with their hats and dresses.

那就是我。

That was me.

Christianity 已经织进了我存在的每一寸纹理里。

Christianity was woven into the fabric of my existence.

所以真的没有必要去质疑它。

So there was really no need to question that.

然后我上了大学。

Then I went to college.

Prairie View A&M University,一所就在 Texas 的历史悠久的 Black university。

Prairie View A&M University, historically Black university right here in Texas.

在那里,年轻又 Black 是安全的;你可以在智识上、文化上、情感上成长,还有所有其他那些积极的“ally”方面。

It was a safe space to be young and Black, to grow intellectually, culturally, emotionally, and all the other positive -allys.

就是在那里,我更多地了解了 Africa 曾经有过的先进文明,也明白了我的历史并不是从奴隶制和民权运动才开始的。

It was there where I learned more about advanced civilizations in Africa and how my history didn't begin with slavery and the civil rights movement.

在 Prairie View 发生的另一件事,就是 Mr. Prairie View Pageant。

And another thing that happened at Prairie View was the Mr. Prairie View Pageant.

这是一个面向所有男学生的比赛,大家会在 sportswear、talent、interview 这些项目里竞争;如果你赢了这个 pageant,就能免住宿费、伙食费和学费,还会成为学校的大使。

It is a competition open to all male students where you compete in categories like sportswear, talent interview, and if you won this pageant, you got free room and board, tuition, and you were an ambassador for the university.

那可是件大事。

It was a big deal.

每个参赛者都得走上舞台,用一句开场引语来介绍自己。

Each contestant had to come to the stage and introduce themselves with an opening quote.

我的那句引语,完全跟我当时正在学习的 Black history 有关。

My quote had everything to do with what I was learning about Black history.

但有个哥们儿,算是那种超级 Christian 的人,就像——

But there was this one dude who was kind of a super Christian, like—.
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Amen。

Amen.
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我也是 Christian,但这哥们儿完全是另一个级别。

I was Christian, but this dude took it to another level.

他穿着西装在校园里走来走去,想把自己弄得像 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. 一样,手里拿着 Bible,还引用 scripture。

He's walking around campus in suits trying to be Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., carrying Bibles and quoting scripture.

然后他走上舞台,带着很夸张的戏剧感说,要想用双脚站起来,你首先必须跪下来,低头鞠躬。

And he got up on stage, and with dramatic flair, he said, in order to stand up on your feet, you must first get down upon your knees and bow.

我当时就想,兄弟,你在说什么啊?

I'm like, bro, what are you talking about?

这对我来说有点太顺从了。

That's a little too submissive for me.

你要知道,我那会儿正处在革命热情的中间,读着 Black history,读着 Black power。

Now, mind you, I'm in the middle of my revolutionary zeal, reading about Black history, Black power.

所以“跪下低头”这个想法,让我感觉很不对劲。

So the idea of bowing down did not sit right with me.

我知道他是在说祈祷,但我就想,兄弟,你知道你站着的时候 God 也听得见吧。

And I know he's talking about praying, but I'm like, bro, you know God can hear you when you're standing up.

结果没过多久,我就跟其他参赛者就 religion 展开了一场激烈讨论。

Next thing you know, I'm in a heated discussion about religion with the other contestants.

有个男生问我,他说,嘿,Alzo,你为什么相信你所相信的东西?

And one guy asked me, he said, hey, Alzo, why do you believe what you believe?

你为什么选择成为 Christian?

Why did you choose to be a Christian?

我当时就,哇,兄弟。

I'm like, whoa, bro.

我一下子变得特别防御,因为我唯一能给出的答案就是,我从小就是这么被教养的,而且我爸妈是 Christian。

I got super defensive because the only answer that I had was because I was raised that way and my parents were Christian.

而就在那一刻,我知道这个答案不够。

And in that moment, I knew that it wasn't good enough.

这件事困扰了我很长一段时间。

And it bothered me for quite some time.

我开始问自己,你读了这么多书,还觉得自己是个 critical thinker。

And I started asking myself, like, how are you going to be reading all these books thinking you're a critical thinker?

可你却没有问过这个重要的问题。

But you haven't asked this important question.

所以我就在想,我到底是选择了 Christianity 吗?

So I was wondering, like, did I choose Christianity?

那那些生来就在其他信仰里的人呢?

And what about other people who were born into something else?

他们选择了吗?

Did they choose that?

还有 Black people 呢?

And what about Black people?

在 Atlantic slave trade 之前,在 Christianity 被强加到他们身上之前,他们相信的是什么?

What did they believe before the Atlantic slave trade and Christianity was forced upon them?

然后我突然意识到,这是我人生中第一次质疑,为什么我会相信我所相信的东西,以及我为什么会被这样教养着去相信它。

And it dawned on me that this was the first time in my life that I ever questioned why I believe what I believe and how I was raised to believe it.

而这让我觉得不对。

And it felt wrong.

感觉就好像我是在对我那么深爱的父母不尊重。

It felt as though I was being disrespectful to my parents whom I love so much.

那之后没过多久,假期的时候我回到家,和我爸坐在他的皮卡车里。通常我们会在车上聊很多有意义、也很深入的话题,什么都聊。

And not too much time after that, I find myself at home for the holidays, riding in my dad's pickup truck with him, where usually we have fruitful and substantive conversations about everything.

但那一天,我很安静。

But this day I was quiet.

那一天我很不自在,因为我脑子里有好多关于我从小被怎样养大的问题在打转,可我觉得我没法问他。

This day I was uncomfortable because I have all these questions swirling around in my head about the way that I was raised, and I don't feel like I can ask him.

所以我就望着窗外,看着一片片松树林和牛群牧场从眼前掠过,我爸注意到了我的沉默。

So I'm looking out the window, watching acres of pine trees and cow pastures pass by, and my dad notices my silence.

他说,儿子,一切都还好吗?

And he says, everything okay, son?

我心里想,不,一点都不好。

And I'm thinking to myself, no, everything is not okay.

然后他说,嗯,我刚问你呢,儿子,一切都还好吗?

And he says, well, I said, is everything okay, son?

所以我没法对他说谎。

And so I can't lie to him.

于是我终于深吸了一口气,鼓起勇气。

And so I finally take a deep breath and muster up the courage.

爸,我有些问题想问。

Dad, I got some questions.

你在想什么呢,儿子?

What's on your mind, son?

嗯,你知道 Bible 基本上是说,如果你不相信 Jesus Christ 是你的 Lord 和 Savior,那你基本上就会在地狱里被火烧,对吧?

Well, you know how the Bible pretty much says that if you don't believe Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, you're basically going to burn in hell?

那那些和我们相信自己的信仰一样热切地相信别的东西的人呢?

What about people who believe in something else just as fervently as we do in our beliefs?

他们是错的吗?

Are they wrong?

而且我得说,这只是我关于自己从小被教导去相信这些东西的众多问题之一。

And I have to say that that's just one of many questions I have about the way that I was raised to believe what I believe.

说实话,我真的很害怕提起这段对话,因为我怕这样会显得不尊重你们,不尊重你们养育我的方式。

And to be honest, I was really afraid to bring this conversation up out of fear that I'd be disrespecting you all and the way that you all raised me.

车里安静了下来。

It got quiet.

我试着读懂这片沉默。

I'm trying to read the silence.

可我什么也读不出来。

I got nothing.

我继续望着窗外找更多的牛,呼出的气把车窗都弄起了雾。

I'm looking out the window for some more cows, fogging up the glass.

突然间,我感觉车身一震,我抬头一看,我爸正把车开进一个加油站的停车场。

And all of a sudden, I feel a jolt in the vehicle, and I look up, and my dad is pulling into a gas station parking lot.

他把车熄了火,转向我,直直地看着我的眼睛,还用手指着我。

He turns the truck off, and he turns to me, and he looks at me dead in my eyes, and he points.

他说,儿子,我接下来要说的话,你一定要听好了。

He says, son, I need you to listen to me when I tell you this.

我是通过 Jesus 被召唤到 God 面前的。

I was called to God through Jesus.

其他人也许会通过别的方式被召唤到 God 面前。

Other people may be called to God in other ways.

我没有资格说他们是对还是错。

I'm not to say whether they're right or wrong.

但最重要的是,如果你相信你所相信的东西,只是因为我们叫你这么相信,那就不是真正的 faith。

But most importantly, if you believe what you believe because we tell you to believe it, that is not true faith.

我所相信的那个 God,承受得住你提出的任何问题,只要你提问是为了成长,而不是出于怨恨。

The God that I believe in can handle any questions that you have, as long as you ask them in the interest of growth and not spite.

而且如果你最后得出的东西,和我们教给你的不一样,那至少它是你自己的,是你真诚地、带着想成为一个更好的人这个目的得出来的。

And should you arrive at something that's different than what we taught you, at least it's your own, and you arrived at it in earnest, with the interest of being a better person.

所以去吧,儿子,想问什么就问什么。

So go forth, son, and ask all the questions you want.

各位,那种沉重的负担终于卸下来了。

The weight had been lifted, folks.

紧接着,我就像冲出起跑线一样停不下来了。

Next thing you know, I'm off to the races.

我开始读心理学、神学、哲学。

I'm reading psychology, theology, philosophy.

我上网去找那些顶尖的哲学研究生项目,下载他们的课程目录,看他们在读哪些书,然后把书买回来,试着按照他们的上课进度一起读。

I go online to the top graduate philosophy programs, download the course catalog, look at the books that they're reading, buy the books, and try to read the books along with the class schedule.

我读的那些东西,一半我都完全看不懂。

I didn't understand half the shit I was reading.

我不知道你们有没有读过 Heidegger 或者 Immanuel Kant,但那可一点都不像 Dr. Seuss 那么好懂。

I don't know if you've ever read Heidegger or Immanuel Kant, but it's not exactly Dr. Seuss.

后来我又拿了一个哲学硕士学位,就是为了能正面面对那些关于我的信仰、关于 God 是否存在的问题,也为了质疑其他所有事情。

I went on to get a master's degree in philosophy to stand toe-to-toe with questions about my faith in God's existence and also to question everything else.

因为我生来就是 Christian,生来就是 Black,生来就是 heterosexual,生在 Southern,而这些群体对于怎样才算是其中一员、你应该是什么样子,都有一些不成文的规矩。

Because I was born into Christianity, I was born Black, I was born heterosexual, Southern, and all of these groups have unwritten rules as to what it means to be a part of them and how you should be.

而当我提出问题的时候,我就把这一切都置于风险之中了。

And when I raised questions, I put all of that at risk.

我冒着失去对那些群体的归属感、以及它们给予我的保护的风险。

I risked the sense of belonging to those communities and their protection.

但我得到的回报,是自由,是理解我是谁、我为什么会成为这样的人,也是在我有意愿、有能力的时候,拥有改变它的自主权。

But the reward was freedom and an understanding of who I was and why I was that, and having the agency to change it if I had the will and the power to do so.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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从那以后,我跟我的父母聊过好几次。

Since then, I've had several conversations with my parents.

我们并不一定相信同样的东西,但他们依然是 Christian 应该是什么样子的榜样:有同情心、能接纳人、善良、也愿意原谅。

We don't necessarily believe the same thing, but they still serve as examples of what a Christian should be: compassionate, accepting, benevolent, and forgiving.

那至于我关于 God 的问题,我到现在也说不清 God 到底是什么,但我在学习的时候,感觉自己离它最近。

Now, as to my question around God, I still don't exactly know what God is, but I feel closest to it when I'm learning.

我越了解别人,就越了解自己。

The more I learn about others, the more I learn about myself.

而人们说 God 就在内心,所以我越了解自己——

And they say God is within, so the more I learn about myself—
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嗯,你懂的。

Well, you get it.
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顺便说一句,吸管嘛,它是一个洞,有两个开口。

And by the way, a straw, it has one hole with two openings.

还有问题吗?

Any questions?

非常感谢大家。

Thank you very much.
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刚才是 Alzo Slade。

That was Alzo Slade.
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Alzo 是一位获得过 Peabody Award 和多项 Emmy Award 的记者、教育者和故事讲述者。

Alzo is a Peabody and multi-Emmy Award-winning journalist, educator, and storyteller.

作为一名前哲学教授,他的故事讲述植根于一种对世界和人类处境的深层好奇。

As a former philosophy professor, his storytelling is rooted in a deep-seated curiosity about the world and the human condition.

Alzo 分享说,他非常尊敬自己的父母,也承认如果他觉得这段精神和思想探索之旅会让他们失望,那要迈出这一步会非常困难。

Alzo shared that he has a profound respect for his parents and acknowledges that it would have been very difficult to embark on a journey of spiritual and intellectual exploration if he felt that it would have disappointed them.

回想我自己的成长经历,我意识到,和 Alzo 一样,我也被给予了一些探索的自由。

Reflecting back on my upbringing, I realized that like Alzo, I was also granted some freedom for exploration.

我的父母其实不怎么去教堂,但这并没有阻止我的两位祖母充满爱意地试图赢得我那小小的灵魂。

My parents weren't really churchgoers, but that didn't stop my grandmothers from lovingly trying to win over my tiny soul.

有些周末,我会和 Nana Una 去 Catholic church,另一些周末则和 Nana Edna 去 Methodist church。

Some weekends were spent with Nana Una in a Catholic church and others with Nana Edna in a Methodist church.

那时候我还小,大概五岁到八岁之间,但我记得自己穿着发痒的裙子和紧绷发亮的鞋,在不舒服的硬木长椅上扭来扭去,一边欣赏彩色玻璃窗和那些华丽的装饰,一边却并没有完全听进去布道里说的所有内容,而且心里有很多问题。

I was young, probably between the ages of 5 and 8, but I remember wriggling in the uncomfortable hardwood pews in itchy dresses and tight shiny shoes, admiring the stained glass windows and the finery but not fully taking in all that was said in the sermons and having lots of questions.

后来某个时候,我大概是失去了兴趣,那些星期天也就停止了。

At some point, I must have lost interest, and those Sundays stopped.

到最后,我并没有选择站在哪一边——抱歉了,两位奶奶——但我最终来到了一个由我自己创造出来的精神归处。这个地方同样让我觉得脚踏实地,哪怕我心里仍然有很多疑问。

At the end of it all, I didn't choose a side— sorry, grandmothers— but I wound up in a spiritual place of my own creation, a place that makes me feel grounded all the same, even if I still have lots of questions.
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M214:50

我很好奇,Alzo 最近最常在思考什么问题。

I wonder what Alzo was questioning most these days.
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F114:59

这是他的回答。

Here's what he had to say.
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M215:00

啊,我一直都在反复思考很多事情,好奇心就是我的默认状态。

Ah, I'm always questioning this a lot, and curiosity is my default disposition.

但最近一直在我脑子里的,尤其是在现在这种社会政治气候下,就是,你知道,对于那些有社会意识、有自我觉察、又有同理心的成年人来说,幸福到底是什么样子的?

But what's been on my mind lately, especially in this sociopolitical climate, is, you know, what does happiness look like for adults who are socially conscious, self-aware, and empathetic?

我觉得让人很难快乐的一点是,你知道,觉察这种东西,很少会自己关掉。

And I think what makes it difficult to be happy is that, you know, awareness, it rarely turns off.

你开始,你知道,注意到太多东西。

You start, you know, you notice too much.

那些体系,那些矛盾,那些苦难,人们彼此伤害的方式,人们伤害自己的方式,你知道,还有这个世界现在的样子,和它本可以、也应该成为的样子之间的差距,好像正在变得越来越大。

The systems, the contradictions, the suffering, the way people hurt each other, the way people hurt themselves, you know, and there's the gap between what the world is and what it could and should be seems to be growing larger.

我也不知道是不是因为,你知道,作为成年人,你看到的东西比小时候多得多。

And I don't know if it's, you know, as an adult you see much more than you did as a kid.

还是说,世界一直都是这样?

Or was it always this way?

因为,你知道,一旦你看见了所有这些东西,就很难像小时候那样,完全放松下来,把自己交给舒适或者分心的事物。

'Cause, you know, once you see all these things, it becomes hard to, like, just fully surrender and let go to comfort or distraction, you know, like you could when you were younger.

你没法就这么把它关掉。

You can't just turn it off.

而说到同理心,它有时候会让人承受不住。

And when it comes to empathy, it can be overwhelming.

就是你看见别人,然后你某种程度上会和他们的痛苦连接起来,可是光是连接到那份痛苦,并不足以改变它。

It's you see people and you kind of, you connect to their pain, but being connected to it, that ain't enough to change it.

所以你就背上了这种重量,你知道,你最后会被一些问题在情感上影响,而这些问题又太大了,不是任何一个人能承受的,尤其不是任何一个人的神经系统能承受的——这也就是为什么幸福有时候会让人觉得,你知道,好像在道德上有点可疑。

So you have this weight on you, you know, you end up emotionally affected by problems that are too large for any individual to hold, especially any individual nervous system, which is— why happiness can kind of feel like, you know, it gets morally suspicious.

就好像放松下来,就意味着你在无视现实。

It's like relaxing means that you're ignoring reality.

你知道,有时候感觉就是这样。

You know, that's what it feels like sometimes.

但我现在意识到,幸福就是和一些人在一起,身处一个共同体里,在那里,你知道,我可以稍微放下点什么。

But what I'm realizing is happiness is being in community with people where, you know, I can let go a little.

比如,我可以触碰到我身边这些具体的人,也可以对我身边这些具体的人产生影响。

Like, I can, I can touch people in my immediate space and have an impact with people in my immediate space.

这并不是说我在无视世界上的问题,而是当人们一辈子都在,你知道,注意苦难、矛盾和情绪里的细微差别时,孤立会开始扭曲现实。

And it's not that I'm ignoring the world's problems, but when, you know, folks spend a life, you know, noticing suffering, contradiction, and emotional nuance, isolation starts to distort reality.

而我觉得,共同体会打断这种扭曲。

And I think community interrupts that.

你知道,就是待在一些人身边,你们可以一起笑、开玩笑、闲扯、放声大笑。

You know, just be around people that you can laugh, joke, jawjack, and cackle with.

然后你会意识到,你并不孤单。

And so you realize that you're not alone.

你知道,去做你能做的事。

You know, do the work that you can do.

差不多就是这样。

That's about it.
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F117:53

Alzo Slade。

Alzo Slade.

稍后,The Moth Radio Hour 继续,一个厨师将凭着信念迈出一步。

In a moment, a cook takes a leap of faith when The Moth Radio Hour continues.
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M318:07

The Moth Radio Hour 由位于 Massachusetts 州 Woods Hole 的 Atlantic Public Media 制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
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F118:17

这里是 The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是 Suzanne Rust。

I'm Suzanne Rust.

我们的下一个故事,讲的是另一种滋养灵魂的东西。

Our next story is about a different kind of soulful nourishment.

Shawnee 是在一场“Only in New York”主题的演出上讲的这个故事,那场演出是和 The Moth 的媒体合作伙伴 WNYC 一起制作的。

Shawnee told this at an Only in New York-themed show produced with WNYC, a media partner of The Moth.

下面请听 Shawnee。

Here's Shawnee.
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F418:39

我想带你们回到二零二一年六月五号。

I want to take you back to June 5th, 2021.

我站在这栋楼前面,看着这栋刚被我刷成红色的楼,因为我就是喜欢引人注意。

I'm standing in front of this building, and as I'm staring at this building that I just painted red, because I seek attention.

我看着的是一个花了两万二千美元、像死后重生一样的 DIY 翻修工程,这是我自己做的。

I am looking at a $22,000 life-after-death DIY renovation that I had done.

到了这个时候,我真想死。

And at this point, I wanted to die.

我心想,干脆把整个梦想都弄死算了。

I said, just kill the whole dream.

我不知道自己为什么站在这里做这件事,但我马上就要办盛大开业了。

I don't know why I'm standing here doing this, but I'm getting ready to have a grand opening.

我要给一家餐厅办盛大开业,而且还是一家 soul food 餐厅,地点在 Staten Island 最难做的一条街上,在 Stapleton,那里的车开得飞快,而且周围只有另外三家店。

I'm getting ready to do a grand opening for a restaurant, a soul food restaurant at that, on the toughest block in Staten Island, in Stapleton, where the cars are driving by so fast and there's only 3 other stores.

我到底干了什么啊?

What the hell did I just do?

我站在那儿,看着门口上方那个大大的气球拱门,我还把所有能拉来的家人都拉来,让他们听我指挥,接单、开烤炉、把 DJ 准备好,还要确保我这个小小的、只卖 soul food 的精品小店——一家由我们家拥有、也只由我们自己经营的店——一切都能顺利。

As I'm standing there looking at the building with the big balloon arch over the door, and I just roped every single family member that I possibly could into taking orders from me and putting this grill on and getting the DJ ready and making sure that my tiny little soul food exclusive boutique owned by a family and owned and operated by just us was going to go well.

我不确定它到底能不能成。

I wasn't sure if it was going to work.

但我确实真心相信,我知道怎么办一场派对。

But I did honestly believe that I knew how to throw a party.

所以就算餐厅不成,我也知道开业活动会没问题,因为我在 Facebook 上点了那个按钮,等于自己给自己挖了个坑,邀请了四千个我根本不认识的人。

So if the restaurant didn't work, I knew the grand opening would be fine because I just stuck my foot in my mouth by clicking on the button on my Facebook and inviting 4,000 people that I don't know.

我很确定,应该不会真的有人来,因为那是二零二一年六月五号,春天刚进入夏天。

I was sure that nobody was really going to attend because it was June 5th, 2021, spring into summer.

那时候还在疫情期间。

That was the pandemic.

我站在店门口,眼看着人开始聚过来,就想让自己稍微安心一点。

I stood out front and I tried to get some ease about it as people started to gather around.

一开始来了大概十个人,然后变成二十个人,再然后变成四十个人,后来就——我当时真该去申请许可证,因为来了四百个人。

And it was like 10 people showed up, and then it was 20 people showing up, and then it was 40 people showing up, and then it was— I should have got a permit because there were 400.

整个盛大开业非常成功。

This whole grand opening was a success.

所以我就认定,来参加开业的这四百个人,都会成为我的常客,帮我把店里的灯一直开下去。

And so I just knew that the 400 people that showed up for this grand opening would be my regulars that would keep my lights on.

每个人第二天都会回来买吃的。

Everybody was going to come back the next day and buy food.

所以第二天我很兴奋,想着要去餐厅做饭,还让我的孩子们也在那里,因为这些人刚刚来过,和我一起待了那么久,也在开业活动上看到了我。

And so I was excited about going into the restaurant the next day and cooking and having my kids there because these people just left and they spent time with me and saw me at this grand opening.

我让孩子们坐在儿童桌,那张桌子离厨房最近,他们一边写作业,一边点评我的菜谱。

I had my kids sitting at the kids' table, and that was the table closest to the kitchen where they critiqued my recipes while we did homework.

我当时完全没意识到,这家餐厅其实——我那时候已经进了怪兽的肚子里。

I had no clue that this restaurant was really— I was in the belly of the beast at this point.

我该做些什么,才能让人们走进这家餐厅呢?

What should I do to try to get people to come into the restaurant?

因为一天过去了,没人来。

Because one day had passed and nobody showed up.

两天过去了,还是没人来。

2 days had passed, nobody still showed up.

然后这就变成了整整一年。

And that became an entire year.

我得想点有创意的办法,而我在创意这方面,尤其像我刚才说的,在策划派对这件事上,特别有一套。

I needed to get creative, and I'm extremely creative when it comes to, like I said, planning a party.

于是我走进社区,开始跟大家说,我开了一家餐厅,你想不想来跟我一起待会儿?

So I went out into the community and I started telling people, I opened up a restaurant, do you want to come hang out with me?

我这里免费送吃的。

I'm giving out free food.

可没人想要免费的食物。

Nobody wanted free food.

虽然我坐在门口,摆了长椅和植物,还教大家 parsley 的药用功效,但真的没什么人在乎。

And even though I sat in front and put benches and plants and I taught people medicinal properties of parsley, nobody really cared.

有个矮小的白人老太太,Grace,会推着她的小推车路过,她会盯着我看,眼神里带着同情,然后递给我五美元,说,姑娘,坚持住。

This little white lady, Grace, would pass by with her little cart and she'd stare at me and she'd look and, and with pity in her eyes, she'd hand me $5 and say, baby girl, just hold on.

我感觉这就像是一种事工。

I felt like it was ministry.

我说,我必须想办法把这件事弄明白。

I said, I have to figure this out.

所以我开始让人在餐厅里做各种疯狂的事情,只为了能付得起电费、让店继续开着。

So I started letting people do all kinds of crazy things in the restaurant just to keep the lights on.

我办过 paint and sip,办过新书朗读会,甚至还让 Method Man 在里面拍过 music video。

I did paint and sips, I had book readings, and I even let Method Man shoot a music video in there.

这开始变得有点让人吃不消了。

That began to get a little bit daunting.

我已经办不出足够多的派对了。

I couldn't plan enough parties.

就这样,一年半过去了,我其实还是没怎么卖出去什么吃的。

And so, a year and a half had gone by and I still wasn't really selling any food.

有个人走进餐厅,说,嘿,我们想拍你把食物端到桌上的画面。

Someone comes into the restaurant and they said, hey, we want to film you while you're bringing food out to the table.

我说,哦,我不太确定我想不想这么做,因为这里根本没人。

And I said, oh, I don't really know if I want to do that because there's nobody here.

他们说,不会的,没事。

They said, no, it'll be fine.

我们就把消息放出去,会让人来的,你知道的,我们会把社区的人聚到一起。

We'll just put the word out and we'll get people to come and, you know, we'll bring community together.

我说,哦,我不确定我对这件事是不是自在。

And I said, oh, I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with that.

他们还是来了,而且还是拍了。

They came and they did it anyway.

结果没多久,它就出现了,而且是在 TikTok 上。

And sure enough, it shows up and it's on TikTok.

我都不知道 TikTok 是什么。

I don't know what TikTok is.

然后我开始出现在那些 Facebook 群组里,就是那四千个人所在的那些群。

And then I started showing up into these Facebook groups where those 4,000 people were.

大家开始聊起来了。

The people started to talk.

果然,他们一聊,大家也开始来到餐厅。

And sure enough, as they were talking, people started to also come into the restaurant.

这个社区其实并没有真正连在一起,因为我们有点像是被海岸分开了,North Shore 和 South Shore。

The community wasn't really tied together because we're kind of like separated by shores, North and South Shore.

所以当我这样说 South Shore 的时候,我很确定你们大概明白我接下来要说什么了。

And so when I say the South Shore that way, I'm pretty sure you kind of understand where I'm going with all of this.

我在一片 pasta、meatballs 和 pizza 的海洋中间,开了一家 soul food 餐厅。

I planted a soul food restaurant in the middle of a sea of pasta, meatballs, and pizza.

South Shore 的人出现了,他们成群结队地来了,支持我,告诉我他们有多爱我,我拥抱他们、亲吻他们,然后他们开始问我很多问题。

The South Shore showed up and they came in in droves and they supported and they told me how much they love me and I hugged and kissed them and then they started to ask me lots of questions.

比如,你为什么要开这家餐厅,又为什么开在这里?

Well, why did you open this restaurant up, and why over here?

我说,因为我是第八代直系后裔,我的祖先是第一个在 Staten Island 的 Sandy Ground 买下土地的自由黑人。

I said, well, I'm the eighth-generation direct descendant to the first free Black man to purchase property on Staten Island in Sandy Ground.

我觉得我欠我的祖先一些东西,所以我需要在 Staten Island 这里做点什么。

I figure I owe my ancestors something, so I need to be doing something here on Staten Island.

他们对此特别兴奋。

And they were excited about that.

后来这也成了我营销策略的一部分,因为每次我一说出来,大家的脸上表情都会变,嘴巴也会惊得张开。

And that became a part of my marketing strategy, because people's faces and mouths would start to drop every time I said it.

我们会拥抱,会亲吻,会一起吃饭,会享受彼此的陪伴,然后 Facebook 上就到处都在聊这件事。

We'd hug, we'd kiss, we'd break bread, we'd enjoy each other, and then there was chatter all over Facebook.

有这么一个女孩,她就在那家餐厅里,她会出现,会走出来,亲你一下,抱抱你,告诉你她爱你。

There's this girl, she's in the restaurant, she shows up, she comes out, she kisses you, she hugs you, she tells you she loves you.

我那家只有二十个座位的 soul food boutique,慢慢有点坐满了,我在 Google 上的 Google reviews 也显示出,Staten Island 上正在发生点什么。

My 20-seat soul food boutique was staying a little bit full, and my Google reviews on Google were showing that something was happening on Staten Island.

这跟我的银行账户完全不一样,账户里的数字倒是有点往上走,只不过前面还带着个负号,感觉就像我的名字被丢到那边去了似的。

It was nothing like my bank account, where the numbers were going kind of up and with the dash in the front, sort of kind of like my name was like over there.

开店两年半的时候,有一位先生走了进来,我们把他安排在儿童桌那里。

Two-and-a-half-year mark and a gentleman walks in and we sit him at the kids' table.

到那个时候,儿童桌已经像 chef's table 一样在运作了。

At this point, the kids' table is operating like the chef's table.

那个男的和另外两个人坐在桌边,当时大概是晚上九点半,他们开始问我各种问题,比如,你们菜单上有什么?

And the guy and the two other people are sitting at the table, and it's about 9:30 at night, and they start to ask me all kinds of questions like, what do you have on the menu?

我能点 oxtail 吗?

Can I get oxtail?

你们有 ribs 吗?

Do you have ribs?

还有——还有 jerk chicken 吗?

Are there— is there jerk chicken left?

我就会说,没有,没有,那个我也没有。

And I would say, nope, nope, and I don't have that either.

我说,我现在有的就是些边角料,因为你来得有点晚,而且你不会晚上十点跑去你奶奶家,还问她要什么特别精致的东西,所以也别问我要。

I said, what I do got is I got scraps because you came here kind of late, and you wouldn't do this to your grandmother asking her at 10 o'clock for anything exquisite, so don't ask me.

我真该只给你做个 peanut butter and jelly sandwich。

I should just give you a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

不过如果你相信我,我会给你端出一桌菜,照样能让你惊艳。

But if you trust me, I'm gonna bring you out a spread that's gonna still blow your mind.

你相信我吗?

Do you trust me?

他说,当然,没问题。

He said, sure, no problem.

你是 chef,对吧?

You're the chef, right?

我说,对,我就是 chef。

I said, yeah, I'm the chef.

于是我回到后面,拿了食物,然后端出来。

So I go back, I get the food, I bring it out.

他坐下来,一看见那些菜,就说,天哪,这就是边角料?

He sits down and he sees it and he says, oh my God, this is the scraps?

他说,那我要怎么才能吃到完整菜单?

He said, what do I gotta do to get the whole menu?

我说,嗯,你得五点钟来。

I said, well, you gotta get here at 5 o'clock.

就像我说的,你不会晚上十点去你奶奶家。

Like I said, you don't go to your grandmother's house at 10 o'clock.

五点来,就能吃到菜单上的所有东西。

Get here at 5 and get everything on the menu.

两周后,他又出现了,五点钟来的,听了我的建议。

Two weeks later, he shows up, comes at 5 o'clock and took my advice.

他一走进门,我立刻就认出他是谁。

I knew who he was exactly when he walked in the door.

我抱了抱他。

I hugged him.

嘿,表亲,你真的来了!

Hey, cousin, you made it!

我爱你!

I love you!

他说,对,我到了。

He said, yeah, I made it.

我五点钟就在这儿。

I'm here at 5 o'clock.

我说,哎呀,你能来我太高兴了。

I said, well, I'm so glad that you made it.

希望你能玩得特别开心。

I hope that you really enjoy yourself.

几个星期后,我接到我侄孙打来的电话。

Couple weeks later, I get a phone call from my nephew's son.

喂?

Yes?

他说,刚才有人打电话来,说他们是报社的,想让你给他们回个电话。

He said, somebody just called and said that they wanted you to call them from the paper.

我说,好吧,那他们想干什么?

I said, okay, well, what do they want?

他说,我不知道。

He says, I don't know.

他们是从 New York Times 打来的。

They called from the New York Times.

他们想跟你聊聊。

They want to talk to you.

我说,我不想订 New York Times。

I said, I don't want to subscribe to the New York Times.

我没有四美元四十美分。

I don't have $4.40.

他说,嗯,我觉得你还是应该试着给他们打过去,告诉他们你不想订。

He said, well, I think that you should try to call them and tell them you don't want to subscribe.

我说,好吧,把号码给我。

I said, okay, give me the number.

我拿了号码就打过去。

I take the number and I call.

我说,嘿,我打电话是因为我不知道你们 New York Times 的订阅还会打推销电话,不过我不想订。

I say, hey, I'm calling because I didn't know that you guys made cold calls for the subscriptions for the New York Times, but I don't wanna subscribe.

他就开始笑,然后我有点儿……我就听着他说。

He starts laughing and then I kinda like, I'm listening to him.

他说,我打电话不是为了让你订 New York Times。

He says, I didn't call to get you to subscribe to the New York Times.

我一边听他的声音,一边觉得好像有点儿认出来了。

And as I'm listening to his voice, I'm kind of recognizing.

我说,等一下,你是不是来过,坐在三号桌,那个孩子桌,然后又坐到了二号桌?

I said, wait a minute, did you come and sit at table 3, at the kids' table, and then you sat at table 2?

他说,是啊。

He said, yeah.

这也太不可思议了。

That's incredible.

你是怎么做到的?

How did you do that?

我说,难道每个走进你家的人,他们的声音你都认不出来吗?

I said, don't you recognize every voice of a person that comes into your house?

他说,能啊。

He said, yeah.

他说,这正是我想写的原因。

He said, that's exactly why I want to write.

我要为 New York Times 写一篇关于你的精彩故事。

An incredible story on you for the New York Times.

我说,你是说那份报纸?

I said, like the paper?

我当时不知道这是真的。

I didn't know it was real.

他说,不,这是真的。

He said, no, it is real.

我要写一篇报道,而且我不写差的报道。

I'm going to write a story, and I don't write bad stories.

我写的都是好报道。

I write good stories.

所以等我写出这篇报道,它会彻底改变你的人生。

So when I write this story, it's going to change your life drastically.

你准备好了吗?

Are you ready?

我说,准备好了。

I said, yeah.

他做了个采访,开始问我问题,然后他说,那你是哪里人?

He does an interview, he starts asking me questions, and he says, well, where are you from?

我说,我来自,我来自 Staten Island,但我是 Sandy Ground 第八代直系后裔。

I said, I'm from, I'm from Staten Island, but I'm an eighth-generation direct descendant from Sandy Ground.

他说,你这么说还挺巧的。

He said, funny you say that.

三十年前,我以前常去 Sandy Ground 的墓地那边待着。

Thirty years ago, I used to hang out in the Sandy Ground burial grounds.

那时候你还是个孩子。

You were a kid then.

我说,哇。

I said, wow.

他说,是啊,这对我们俩来说就像是一个兜了一圈又回来的时刻。

He said, yeah, this is like a full circle moment for the both of us.

我说,是啊,我想确实是。

I said, yeah, I guess it is.

我想我算是做到了祖先希望我做的事。

I guess I kind of like did what my ancestors wanted me to do.

我其实只是通过告诉你们我爱你们,就得到了创造自己传承的机会。

I actually got the opportunity to create my own legacy just by telling you that I love you.

我拿到了整个 Staten Island 有史以来任何一家餐厅都从没拿到过的那仅有的两颗星。

I got the only two stars that the entire Staten Island has ever seen in any restaurant in history.

所以最让我骄傲的时刻,是我有机会让我的祖先看到,我也成为了第一个。

So the proudest moment was that I got the opportunity to show my ancestors that I, too, was the first one.
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刚才讲述的是 Shaw-naé。

That was Shaw-naé.

Shaw-naé 来自 Staten Island 历史悠久的 Sandy Ground 这片神圣土地,而且正如她提到的,她是自由斗士的第八代后裔。

Shaw-naé is a product of the sacred soil of Staten Island's historic Sandy Ground, and as she mentioned, an eighth-generation descendant of freedom fighters.

她说,用她的话说,她“带着使命烹饪,带着爱喂养,并用每一盘食物疗愈他人”。

She says that she, quote, cooks with purpose, feeds with love, and heals with every plate.

她的餐厅 Shaw-naé's House 获得了 New York Times 两星评价,并且连续三年入选 New York Times Top 100。

Her restaurant, Shaw-naé's House, has earned a two-star New York Times review and a spot on the New York Times Top 100 three years running.

几年前,The Moth 做过一场特别的 Only New York 主题演出,讲述来自纽约五个 borough 的故事。

A few years ago, The Moth had a special Only New York-themed show with stories from each of the five boroughs.

当我在寻找 Staten Island 的讲故事者时,我非常幸运地偶然发现了 Shaw-naé,然后立刻联系了她。

When I was looking for Staten Island storytellers, I very happily stumbled upon Shaw-naé and reached out immediately.

这位忙碌的餐厅老板愿意抽出时间分享她的故事,我真的非常感激。

I was so grateful that this busy restaurant owner found some time to share her story.

而且我也很感激,能在 Shaw-naé's House 那六张抢手的桌子里订到一个位置。

And I was also grateful to get a seat at one of the six coveted tables at Shaw-naé's House.

我和我的朋友、也是 Moth Radio Hour 主持人的 Chloe Salmon 一起坐上 Staten Island Ferry,到那儿后迎接我们的是 Shaw-naé 温暖的拥抱——在 Shaw-naé's House,每个人都会得到一个拥抱——还有特别好吃的 soul food。

My friend and fellow Moth Radio Hour host Chloe Salmon and I hopped on the Staten Island Ferry and were greeted by Shaw-naé's warm embrace— everyone gets a hug at Shaw-naé's House— and some killer soul food.

我一定会再去的,不过在那之前,我向 Shaw-naé 要了一道能抚慰灵魂的食谱。

I have every intention of returning, but in the meantime, I asked Shaw-naé for a soul-soothing recipe.

想知道她分享了什么,也想看看 Shaw-naé 的一些照片,请访问 themoth.org。

To find out what she shared and to see some photos of Shaw-naé, go to themoth.org.

稍后,当 The Moth Radio Hour 继续的时候,我们会讲到那些被我们留在身后的人、地方和事物,还有一个特别的终点照片判定。

In a moment, the people, places, and things we leave behind, and a unique photo finish, when The Moth Radio Hour continues.
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谢谢。

Thank you.
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The Moth Radio Hour 由位于 Massachusetts 州 Woods Hole 的 Atlantic Public Media 制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.
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这里是 The Moth Radio Hour。

This is The Moth Radio Hour.

我是你们的主持人,Suzanne Rust。

I'm your host, Suzanne Rust.

我们的下一个故事,是 Leksang Pema Chuki 在一场展示 The Moth 教育项目故事的演出上讲述的。

Our next story was told by Leksang Pema Chuki at a showcase featuring stories from The Moth's education programs.

下面请听 Leksang 在 The Moth 的现场讲述。

Here's Leksang, live at The Moth.
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那是一个星期五的晚上。

It's a Friday evening.

我和我妹妹坐在电视机前,看着我们最喜欢的节目,一边吃着早饭剩下的东西,这时候我妈妈走进来,告诉我们说,我们可能六个月后要搬去 US。

Me and my sister, we're sitting in front of the TV watching our favorite show as we have some leftovers from breakfast when our mom comes in and tells us that we might be moving to the US in six months.

其实这件事我们之前已经在计划了,但最让我惊讶的是,我们六个月后就要搬,而且这件事已经确定了。

Now this is something that we have already been planning, but what surprised me the most was the fact that we were moving in six months, and that it was already confirmed.

那时候十三岁的我并不想离开 Bhutan,我记得我跟妈妈说,我不想,不想去 US。

Now, the thirteen-year-old me didn't want to leave Bhutan, and I remember telling my mom that I didn't want to, didn't want to go to the US.

对,十三岁的我。

Okay, thirteen-year-old me.

不想离开 Bhutan,也不想去 US。

Didn't want to leave Bhutan, and I didn't want to go to the US.

大概一个月后,我妈妈安排了一趟回村里的旅行,去看望我们的外婆,我们已经有一阵子没见她了。

In about a month, our mom plans this trip to our village in order to pay a visit to our grandmother, whom we haven't seen in a while.

所以她告诉我们,我们会在那里待大概一个月,村里的人也会来看看我们,跟我们道别。

So she lets us know that we will be staying there for about a month and that villagers will be coming to visit us and to say goodbye.

于是我们一路从 Bhutan 的西部,跑到东部。

So we travel all the way from western part of Bhutan to the eastern part.

那里的路更像是山羊修出来的过山车。

Where the roads are more like roller coasters built by goats.

你可能还没到那儿,就已经被颠得散架了。

You might just rattle apart before you even get there.

但我们都知道,美好的东西总是不容易抵达,而那里正是这样。

But as we all know, beautiful things are hard to reach, and that's exactly what it is.

我们一到,我就下了车,Pemagatshel 凉凉的微风拂过我的脸。

The moment we get there, I get out of the car and the cool breeze of Pemagatshel touches my face.

我看到一盏橙色的荧光灯,亮在我外公外婆那间小店前面。

I see the orange fluorescent bulb lit in front of this tiny shop that my grandparents own.

我走进屋子,看见外婆坐在那里,脸上带着灿烂的笑容。

I walk inside the house and I see my grandmother sitting there with a wide smile on her face.

我坐到她身边,我们一起吃了晚饭,还没等我反应过来,天就亮了。

I sit next to her, we have our dinner, and before I even knew, it was morning.

我起床,走进厨房,看见外婆站在泥炉旁边,正在搅拌、打起泡她最拿手的米粥。

I get up and I enter the kitchen where I find my grandmother standing next to the mud stove, stirring and frothing her signature rice porridge.

我坐在她身边,看着她搅着、打着那锅粥,心里想着,如果有人让我形容我的外婆,我会告诉他们,她是那种很平静、很有分寸的人,看起来很好亲近,但也有自己的界限。

I sit next to her, and as I'm looking at her stirring and frothing the porridge, I think to myself that if anybody ever asked me to describe my grandmother, I would tell them that she's this calm, put-together person who looks approachable but keeps her boundaries.
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嗯。

Mm.
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就在我这么想着的时候,外婆问我饿不饿。

And as I'm thinking, my grandmother questions me if I'm hungry or not.

我说我饿。

And I tell her that I am.

于是她站起来,走到冰箱那边,打开冰箱,拿出一个苹果,洗干净,削皮,切开,然后递给我。

So she gets up, walks towards the fridge, opens it, takes out an apple, washes it, peels it, cuts it, and hands it towards me.

我吃着那些苹果片,每一片都小心地、一片一片地吃,而在那整个时刻里,我们唯一的对话,就是她问我饿不饿,还有我说饿。

I eat the apple slices, each one of them carefully, one by one, and throughout the very moment, the only conversation that we had was when she questioned me if I was hungry or not and when I said yes.
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嗯嗯。

Mm-hmm.
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那是我们一起经历过的很多时刻之一,就是坐在彼此身边,话说得很少。

That was one of the many moments that we share where we just sit next to each other and talk less.

那天晚些时候,我看到我外婆和我妈妈在地里干活,她们在拔掉辣椒苗周围长出来的一些杂草。

Later that day, I find my grandmother and my mom working in the field where they're plucking some of the weeds that has been growing around the chili plant.

所以我就过去帮她们,可是才帮了三十分钟,我就已经汗流得像猪一样了。

So I go and help them, but 30 minutes in helping them, I'm already sweating like a pig.

就这样,一个月过去了,这期间有很多来来往往的客人,来跟我们告别,给我们建议,还有,你知道,早上因为我那些表亲们乱哄哄的,但夜晚又很温暖。

Just like that, a month passes by with all these visitors coming in and out, saying goodbye to us, giving us advice, and, you know, chaotic mornings with all these cousins that I have, but cozy nights.

到了我们要离开的那一天,我感觉头顶上像压着一团沉重的云,像是心里有个无声的声音在哭。

And it's the day when we're about to leave that I feel this heavy cloud on top of my head, like this silent voice crying inside of me.

我们吃完早饭,我正把行李装进车里,我外婆走到我身边,把她粗糙的手指塞进我的手里,给了我一百 ngultrum。

So we have breakfast, and as I'm loading the luggage inside the car, my grandmother just walks up to me and she slips her rough fingers against mine and she gives me 100 ngultrum.

然后那场礼貌的拉锯战就开始了。

And that's when the polite tug-of-war begins.

她说:“Bui, bui, bui, bui,”在 Tshangla 语里就是“拿着,拿着,拿着”的意思。

She goes, "Bui, bui, bui, bui," which is "take it, take it, take it" in Tshangla.

我就说:“Mabula, mabula, mabula,”意思是“不,不,我不要,我不要。”这样来来回回持续了很久,最后我让步了,从她手里接过了钱。

And I go, "Mabula, mabula, mabula," which is "no, no, I won't take it, I won't take it." This goes on for a very long time, and then I give in, and I take the money from her.

我说了谢谢。

I say thank you.

我抱了抱我的表亲们,跟外婆道别,然后坐进了车里。

I hug my cousins, and I say goodbye to my grandmother, and I get inside the car.

当我们慢慢开走的时候,我当时五岁的表弟指着后视镜,我一看,就看到外婆正慢慢地跟在车后面,脚上没有穿拖鞋。

As we're slowly starting to drive away, my cousin brother, who was 5 at that time, points to the mirror, and when I look, I see my grandmother following the car slowly with no slippers on her feet.

她光着脚,右手举起来向我们挥手告别,又用左手的手背擦眼泪。

Her feet are bare, and with her right hand that's raised up waving goodbye to us, and with the back of her left hand, she's wiping off her tears.

就在那一刻,从早上开始一直压在我心里的那团云,突然爆开了。

And at that very moment, the cloud that I've been carrying since the morning burst.

眼泪顺着我的脸颊滚下来,那时我才意识到,这件事真的击中了我,因为整整一个月里,我一直被这些人围绕着。

Tears come rolling down my cheeks, and that's when I realized that it really hit me, because the whole entire month I was surrounded by all these people.

我一直在陪着外婆,却从来没有想过,把这些人,还有我们一起创造的回忆都留在身后,会是什么感觉。

I was spending time with my grandmother, and I didn't even think about how it would feel like to leave all of these people behind and the memories that we made.

我们开走了。

We drove away.

我坐在那里,头靠着车窗,泪水干了之后,脸颊又黏又紧。

I sat there with my head against the window, my cheeks sticky and tight with the tears that had dried.

不管我以后会遇见多少新的人,我都会一直寻找那个和我最爱的人们在一起时的自己。

And no matter how many new people I meet, I will always look for the person I was with the people I loved the most.

非常感谢大家。

Thank you so much.
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刚才讲故事的是 Leksang Pem Tshoki。

That was Leksang Pem Tshoki.

我们第一次见到 Leksang,是在 International High School for Health Sciences,当时她在那里接受指导,准备在我们的 High School Grand Slam 上分享她的故事。

We first met Leksang at the International High School for Health Sciences, where she was coached to help share her story at our High School Grand Slam.

她住在 New York 的 Elmhurst,会说四种语言,喜欢看 Studio Ghibli 的电影,比如 Whisper of the Heart,也喜欢收集任何跟 Ghibli 有关的东西。

She lives in Elmhurst, New York, speaks 4 languages, and loves watching Studio Ghibli movies like Whisper of the Heart and collecting anything Ghibli-related.

我们的最后一个故事由 Amy Siegel 讲述。

Our final story was told by Amy Siegel.

她参加过一场 New York StorySLAM,那是我们和 Union Theological Seminary 合作举办的。

Who participated in a New York StorySLAM that we held in partnership with Union Theological Seminary.

下面是 Amy,在 MoMA 的现场。

Here's Amy, live at the MoMA.
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谢谢。

Thank you.

八年前,我妈妈快要去世的时候,她每四个小时就需要一次 morphine,所以我和我姐姐轮班照顾她。

8 years ago, when my mom was dying, she needed morphine every 4 hours, and so my sister and I took shifts.

有一天晚上,我把药滴到她舌头下面之后,因为她基本上已经没有意识了,就从她书房的架子上拿下几本旧相册,然后盘腿坐在她 queen-size 的床上,在她身边翻看。

And one night, after placing the drops under her tongue, because she was mostly unconscious, I pulled some old photo albums off the shelf of her study, and I was flipping through them as I sat cross-legged on her queen-size bed next to her.

而且我有很多可以选,因为她一直在做相册。

And I had many to choose from because she made photo albums all the time.

她基本上是在 Mark Zuckerberg 出生之前,就已经在做 Facebook 那套事了。

She was essentially doing Facebook before Mark Zuckerberg was born.

只不过那不是在线上的,但概念是一样的:这是我完美的人生,这些是我精心挑选出来的内容。

And it wasn't online, but it was the same concept of, this is my perfect life and these are my carefully curated postings.

因为这跟真实发生的事情差得太远了。

Because it was a far cry from what was actually happening.

我爸妈分开过好几次。

My mom and dad separated on multiple occasions.

我和我妹妹总是在吵架。

My sister and I fought all the time.

我会骂她,她就追着我穿过走廊;如果我来得及冲进自己房间,把门砰地关上再锁起来,那我就没事。

I would call her names and she'd chase me down the hall, and if I made it to my room in time to slam the door and lock it, I was okay.

但如果我没来得及,她的指甲就会掐进我的胳膊,在上面留下一个个小月牙印。

But if I didn't, her nails would sink into my arm, leaving little crescent moon marks behind.

然后我妈会说,别打了,接着她就去拿她的 Kodak 相机。

And my mom would say, stop fighting, and then she'd go and get her Kodak camera.

她会说,现在,用充满爱意的眼神看着你妹妹。

And she'd say, now look lovingly at your sister.

然后她就会给我们拍一张照片,照片里我们看着彼此,脸上挂着假笑。

And she'd snap a photo of us looking at each other with fake smiles on our faces.

我们出去度假的时候,她和我爸会在酒店房间里互相大吼大叫。

And when we were on vacation, she and my dad would be screaming at each other in the hotel room.

十分钟之后,我们就会全家站在海滩上,为相册摆姿势拍照。

And 10 minutes later, we would all be on the beach posing for the photo album.

等她拍完一卷胶卷,里面全是这种同样摆拍出来的时刻,她就会去药店把照片冲洗出来,然后把它们贴进相册里。

And once she had a roll of film with equally staged moments, she'd go to the drugstore and get it developed, and then she'd paste these into a photo album.

后来我爸妈最终离婚了,我也离家去上大学。我妈送我走的时候,给了我一本相册,标题是“Amy,零到十六岁”,里面是我从婴儿时期到高中的照片。

And my parents eventually got divorced, and I went away to college, and my mom sent me away with a photo album titled Amy, 0 to 16, and it was my baby pictures through high school.

等我大学毕业的时候,她又给了我一本相册,我以为会是“Amy,大学岁月”,但标题是“Amy”。

And when I graduated from college, she gave me another photo album, which I thought was going to be Amy, College Years, but it was Amy.

零到二十一岁。

0 to 21.

而且是从最一开始一直到后来。

And it was from the very beginning all the way through.

在我人生里,她一遍又一遍地做这件事,也给我妹妹做,也给她自己做。

And she did this over and over again throughout my life, and also for my sister and for herself.

就好像她在努力强化她自己创造出来的这个故事版本。

It was as if she was trying to reinforce this narrative that she had created.

我大概二十五岁的时候,她寄给我一本关于 Kennedys 的书,那种咖啡桌大小的书,纸很厚,照片也很亮。

And when I was around 25, she sent me a book on the Kennedys, and it was this coffee table-sized book with thick paper and glossy photos.

我不知道她为什么寄这个给我。

And I didn't know why.

我当时住在 New York 一个很小的公寓里。

I lived in a very small apartment in New York.

我根本没地方放东西。

I didn't have room for anything.

而且我对 Kennedys 并不感兴趣。

And I was not into the Kennedys.

但她感兴趣。

But she was.

所以我就开始翻那本书。

And so I started flipping through the book.

翻了几页之后,有一张 JFK 和 Jackie 的照片,JFK 穿着黑领结礼服,Jackie 穿着晚礼服,下面的说明写着他们参加的活动。

And a few pages in, there was a photo of JFK and Jackie in black tie and an evening gown, and the caption underneath described the event they were at.

而旁边贴着一张我妈和我爸的照片,我爸穿着黑领结礼服,我妈穿着晚礼服,下面有一行手写说明,写着他们参加的活动。

And next to it was pasted a photo of my mom and dad in black tie and an evening gown with a handwritten caption underneath stating the event they were at.

又过了几页,有一张 JFK Jr. 的照片,说明写着:“John-John 在 NYU Law School。”

And a few pages later, there was a photo of JFK Jr., and the caption said, John-John at NYU Law School.

旁边贴着一张我的照片,手写的说明写着:Amy 在 NYU 交换学期。

And pasted next to that was a photo of me with the handwritten caption saying, Amy at NYU Semester Exchange.

再往后翻几页,有一张 John-John 和 Caroline 在船上的照片。

And a few pages later, there was John-John and Caroline on a boat.

旁边贴着一张我和我妹妹在船上的照片。

And pasted next to it was a picture of me and my sister on a boat.

然后我给我妈打电话,我说,谢谢你送我的书。

And I called my mom and I said, Thanks for the book.

她说,这些相似之处是不是太神奇了?

And she said, aren't the similarities uncanny?

我把这事告诉了我妹妹和我的朋友们,然后我们就拿她开玩笑。

And I told my sister about it and my friends, and we made fun of her.

我们笑她。

We laughed at her.

可是说真的,现在每当我看到有人发帖说,我和这个 celebrity 穿了同一条裙子,或者,我和那个人去了同一个 resort。

But honestly, now today when I see postings of people saying, I'm in the same dress as this celebrity, or, I'm at the same resort as this person.

我就会想,也许我妈只是走在了时代前面。

I think maybe my mom was just ahead of her time.

所以当我坐在她床边,坐在她身旁,听着她吃力的呼吸声时,相册里有一些她的照片,我想存到手机里。

And so as I sat there on her bed next to her, listening to her labored breathing, there were some photos in the album of her that I wanted to keep on my phone.

于是我就对着照片拍照片。

And so I was taking pictures of pictures.

呃,我拍了一张,呃,是她在一个派对上的照片,然后它就出现在了我的手机里。

Uh, I snapped one that was, uh, of her at a party and it showed up on my phone.

还有一张是她在泳池边的照片,我拍下来,它也出现在了我的手机里。

And there was one of her by a pool and I snapped it and it showed up on my phone.

还有一张是她戴着枪套,里面插着一把手枪。

And there was one of her wearing a holster with a pistol in it.

我们住在 Arizona,所以这些东西是允许的。

We lived in Arizona, so these things were allowed.

我拍下那张照片,然后它出现在我手机里,却是倒过来的。

And I snapped it and it showed up on my phone upside down.

我盯着它看,心想,为什么这是倒过来的?

And I stared at it and I thought, why is this upside down?

就在那一刻,我注意到她已经停止呼吸了。

And just then I noticed that she had stopped breathing.

我说,妈,妈。

And I said, Mom, Mom.

然后我喊,Lisa。

And then I said, Lisa.

我妹妹从另一个房间跑了进来。

And my sister ran in from the other room.

我们检查她的脉搏。

And we checked for her pulse.

我把头靠在她胸口。

And I rested my head against her chest.

什么都没有。

And there was nothing.

我到现在还会想起那张照片,仍然是倒过来显示的。

And I think about that photo still showing up upside down.

后来我也 Google 过,这种情况确实可能发生。

And I've Googled it since, and it is something that can happen.

这可能是因为你拿手机的时候,相机的方向导致了某种技术故障,你懂的。

It could be caused by a technical glitch based on the orientation of your camera, you know, when you're holding it.

这一点我明白。

And I get that.

但我也明白,当时我俯在那本相册上方拍其他所有照片时,手机拿的位置完全一样,而那些照片显示出来都是正的。

But I also get that I was holding my camera in the exact same position as I hovered over that photo album taking all the other photos, and they showed up right side up.

我不知道,在她停止呼吸的那一刻,这张照片倒过来显示,到底有没有什么意义。

And I don't know if it means anything that this showed up upside down in the moment that she stopped breathing.

但如果它真的有代表性,那我很高兴是那张照片:她在后院,穿着短裤和 T 恤,甩着一把枪。因为我觉得在那一刻,她就是她自己,而且她根本不在乎别人怎么想。

But if it did, I'm glad that it was on that photo of her in the backyard in shorts and a T-shirt slinging a gun, because I think in that moment she was just being herself and she didn't care about what anybody else thought.
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刚才那位是 Amy Siegel。

That was Amy Siegel.

Amy 是故事讲述演出的常客,曾经登上过 The Moth Mainstage,也赢过三次 Moth StorySLAM。

Amy, a regular at storytelling shows, has appeared on The Moth Mainstage and has won three Moth StorySLAMs.

Amy 白天在金融行业工作,到了晚上,她就会被 Lower East Side 的开放麦吸引过去。

And while Amy works in finance by day, by night she's drawn to the open mics on the Lower East Side.

一路下来,她还赢过一些挺特别的奖品,包括在一场喜剧故事比赛里赢到的两百张一美元纸币。

Along the way, she's picked up some unconventional prizes, including 200 $1 bills from a comedy storytelling competition.

那天她半夜带着一叠一美元纸币回家时,她还真得稍微解释一下。

When she came home at midnight with a stack of singles, she had a little bit of explaining to do.

我问 Amy,有没有关于她母亲的快乐回忆。她说,她很喜欢她妈妈以前把她和妹妹塞进车里,一起去追 Perseid meteor showers。

I asked Amy for a happy memory about her mother, and she said that she loved how her mom used to pile her and her sister into the car to chase the Perseid meteor showers.

那是她最喜欢的回忆之一,因为她妈妈的 Kodak 相机拍不下来,也就是说,她们只能完全活在那一刻。

It was one of her favorite memories because her mother's Kodak camera couldn't capture it, meaning that they were just in the moment.
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好了,本期节目到这里就结束了。

Now, that's it for this episode.

感谢 Alzo、Shawnee、Lexie 和 Amy 分享他们的故事,也感谢你们所有人花时间收听。

Thanks to Alzo, Shawnee, Lexie, and Amy for sharing their stories, and to all of you for taking the time to listen.

希望下次节目你们还能和我们相聚。

We hope you'll join us next time.
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本期 The Moth Radio Hour 由我 Jay Allison,以及 Suzanne Rust 制作,Suzanne Rust 同时也是本期节目的主持人。

This episode of The Moth Radio Hour was produced by me, Jay Allison, and Suzanne Rust, who also hosted the show.

联合制作人是 Viki Merrick,助理制作人是 Emily Couch。

Co-producer is Viki Merrick, associate producer Emily Couch.

这些故事由 Meg Bowles 和 Chloe Salmon 指导,教育项目指导来自 Amy Blumberg、Priscilla Bustamante 和 Ingrid Romero。

The stories were directed by Meg Bowles and Chloe Salmon, with education program instruction by Amy Blumberg, Priscilla Bustamante, and Ingrid Romero.

The Moth 的领导团队包括 Gina Duncan、Christina Norman、Marina Cluchet、Sarah Austin Jenness、Jennifer Hixson、Jordan Cardinale、Caledonia Curry、Kate Tellers、Sarah Jane Johnson 和 Patricia Ureña。

The Moth's leadership team includes Gina Duncan, Christina Norman, Marina Cluchet, Sarah Austin Jenness, Jennifer Hixson, Jordan Cardinale, Caledonia Curry, Kate Tellers, Sarah Jane Johnson, and Patricia Ureña.

特别感谢 Unlikely Collaborators 对 Moth Education Program 的支持。

Special thanks to Unlikely Collaborators for their support of the Moth Education Program.

Moth 的故事都是真实的,由讲述者根据记忆讲述,并由他们确认。

Moth stories are true, as remembered and affirmed by the storytellers.

我们的主题音乐来自 The Drift。

Our theme music is by The Drift.

本小时节目中的其他音乐来自 Blue Dot Sessions、Andy Summers 和 Benjamin Verdery。

Other music in this hour from Blue Dot Sessions, Andy Summers, and Benjamin Verdery.

以及 Epidemic Sound。

And Epidemic Sound.

The Moth Radio Hour 由位于 Massachusetts 州 Woods Hole 的 Atlantic Public Media 制作。

The Moth Radio Hour is produced by Atlantic Public Media in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

特别感谢我们在 Audacy 的朋友们,包括执行制作人 Leah Reis-Dennis。

Special thanks to our friends at Audacy, including executive producer Leah Reis-Dennis.
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