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1997年股东大会 · 巴菲特:什么样的海外公司会吸引我

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F1
F10:00

我是来自 Texas 州 Coppell 的 David Day,我是 Berkshire 的股东。

I'm David Day from Coppell, Texas, and I'm a Berkshire shareholder.

Buffett 先生,您怎么看投资外国公司的股票?

Mr. Buffett, what is your opinion of investing in foreign company stocks?
M1
M10:10

这个嘛,我们有不少家,嗯,至少有几家主要企业,三四家,甚至我这么一数,至少五六家,它们的盈利里都有非常大的一部分来自国际业务,来自海外运营。

Well, we, we have a number—well, at least several major businesses, 3 or 4, at least 5 or 6, as I count along—that derive very significant percentages of their earnings from international—from the international operations.

Coca-Cola 有百分之八十甚至更多的收益来自国际业务。

Coca-Cola earns 80% or more from international operations.

Gillette 有三分之二甚至更多的收益来自国际业务。

Gillette would earn 2/3 or more from international operations.

所以,如果你看我们的穿透后收益是从哪里来的,我们其实有很大一部分是来自国际性公司的。

So, if you look to where our look-through earnings are coming from, we get a lot from international companies.

它们不一定非得注册在美国之外。

They don't have to be domiciled outside the United States.

对我们来说,它们注册在美国会有一点点优势。

It's a slight advantage to us to have them domiciled in this country.

比如说,它们发放的股息在税务上待遇会更好。

For example, their dividends are treated better.

如果它们是美国本土公司,而不是注册在别的地方,那我们拿到的股息税务待遇会更好一些,这只是因为美国税法的运作方式。

We get better treatment on the dividends if they are domestically based rather than based someplace else, just because of the way the U.S. tax laws work.

但如果 Coca-Cola 注册在 Amsterdam,或者 Gillette 注册在 London,只要它们的基本业务还是一样,我们对它们的兴趣,基本上会和它们注册在 Atlanta 和 Boston 时差不多。

But if Coca-Cola were domiciled in Amsterdam or Gillette were domiciled in London, they had the same basic businesses, we would be attracted to them to virtually the same degree we are as having them domiciled in Atlanta and Boston.

我们也会看美国以外、而且注册地也在美国以外的企业。

We look at businesses outside this country that are domiciled outside this country.

很多不符合我们对规模的要求,不过这一点在美国也是一样。

Many don't meet our size requirements, but that's true here too.

不过我们必须看非常大的公司。

But there—we have to look at very big companies.

但是,我们并不排斥买入注册地在美国之外的公司,甚至把一家注册在美国之外的公司整家公司买下来。

But we have nothing against buying into companies that are domiciled, or even buying the entire business of a company that's domiciled outside the United States.

只是说,对那边的税法,还有公司文化,可能会稍微没那么熟悉一点,不过在很多国家,这也不会是什么特别大的因素。

Feel slightly less familiar with the tax laws and the, and the corporate cultures perhaps, but that would not be a huge factor in a great many countries.

而且,你知道,我们会继续找。

And, you know, we will keep looking.

以我们手上可用于投资的这笔钱的规模来说,我们必须到处看。

We need to look everywhere with the kind of money that we have available for investment.
M2
M22:10

Charlie?

Charlie?

再说一次,我们一直以来用一种很好的方式参与了美国以外那些经济体的快速发展,到目前为止,我们还没看到有什么别的东西对我们来说更有吸引力。

Again, we've had a wonderful way of playing the rapid development of economies outside the United States, and so far we haven't seen anything that attracted us as being better.

而且如果你能卖 Coca-Cola,你说,你真的会想跑去做 Malaysia 的钢铁之类的生意吗?

And if you can sell Coca-Cola, you know, do you really want to get into steel in Malaysia or something?
M1
M12:41

去年我们在美国之外卖出了相当数量的 Kirby 产品,而且这项业务这些年增长得非常明显,我觉得它还会继续增长。

We sold a substantial number of Kirby units outside of the United States last year, and that business has grown very significantly in recent years, and I think it promises to grow more.

我们一直都在寻找机会。

We're always looking for opportunities.

有些东西很容易走向海外,有些就不行。

Some things travel very well and some things don't.

我的意思是,Gillette 能走出去,Disney 能走出去,McDonald's 能走出去,Coke 也能走出去。

I mean, Gillette travels, Disney travels, McDonald's travels, Coke travels.

你知道,See's Candies 就没那么容易走出去。

You know, See's Candies doesn't travel as well.
F1
F13:06

对。

Right.
M1
M13:08

当然,如果你花五十年去经营它,也许也可以,但那不是一件容易推广到海外的事。

It might if you spent 50 years working on it, but it's not an easy thing to travel.

实际上,糖果棒这种东西本身就不太容易走向海外。

Actually, candy bars themselves don't travel very well.

如果你看看 France、England 和 Japan 最畅销的糖果棒,你不会看到那种相似性;但在最畅销的软饮、电影或者时尚这些方面,你就会看到相似性。

If you look at the top-selling candy bars in France, England, and Japan, you don't find the similarity that you find in terms of the best-selling soft drinks or movies or fashion.

快餐汉堡,或者剃须刀片。

Fast food hamburgers or razor blades.
M2
M23:36

Snickers 除外。

Except Snickers.

不知道为什么,Snickers 到哪儿都卖得特别好。

For some reason, Snickers travels very well.

别问我为什么。

Don't ask me why.
M1
M13:46

Charlie 这些年在世界各地跑,经验很多。

Charlie's had a lot of experience as he goes around the world.

我们吃饭的地方,你可别去吃。

You don't want to eat where we eat.

不过我们投资的地方,你倒是可以考虑投。

You may want to invest where we invest.

好,第一部分。

Okay, Section 1.