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1994年股东大会 · 市值虽大,但伯克希尔为何不是股指成分股?

11 段 · 2 位说话人 · 原片 1:45
M1
M10:00

你觉得 Berkshire 会不会成为 Standard & Poor's 500 的成分股,或者成为 Dow Jones 的成分股?

Do you expect that Berkshire would become one of the Standard & Poor's 500 stocks or a Dow Jones stock?
M2
M20:10

嗯,我,我觉得它不太可能会成为 Dow Jones 的成分股。

Well, I, I'm— I think it's unlikely it ever becomes a Dow Jones stock.

我不知道 S&P 500 的筛选标准是什么,不过我猜应该有某些原因让我们不符合。

I don't know what the criteria are for the S&P 500, but I imagine there's some reason why we don't fit.

我不知道他们是不是会考虑流通在外的股数之类的问题,或者别的什么,我从来没跟 S&P 核实过。

I don't know whether they have questions about number of shares outstanding, or— I've never checked with S&P.

如果我们是所有没被纳入 S&P 的公司里市值最大的那一家,我也不会觉得意外,虽然我也不确定。

I wouldn't be surprised if we have the largest market capitalization of any company that isn't in the S&P, although I don't know that.

不过他们可能有一些标准,或者类别上的要求,会把 Berkshire 排除在外。

But they may have some criteria, variety, that preclude Berkshire being part of it.

我一直觉得这件事很有意思,对你们这些喜欢琢磨这类问题的人来说尤其如此。假如我们是 S&P 500 的成分股,而且有足够多的人开始做指数化投资,以至于市场里百分之六十都被指数化了,而 Charlie 和我又不会卖,我们确实不会卖,那就会变成一个很有意思的问题:如果指数基金想复制 S&P,它们到底要怎么拿到那百分之六十?

I've always thought it'd be very interesting, for those of you who like to think about such things, that if we were part of the S&P 500 and enough people became indexed so that 60% of the market was indexed, and if Charlie and I wouldn't sell, which we wouldn't, it'd be an interesting proposition as to how the index funds would ever get their 60% if they tried to replicate the S&P.

这会变成——我也不知道他们是不是连股权集中度都有相关规定。

It'd be— I don't know whether they have rules even about concentration of ownership.

沿着这个思路想下去,Walmart 或者别的公司也可能碰到类似情况。举个极端一点的例子,假设一家公司有百分之九十的股票都被一个人持有,而市场里的资金有百分之十二是指数化的,呃,而且那百分之九十又不肯卖,那就会重演 Northern Pacific corner 那种局面,或者类似的情况。

That same line of thinking might have applied to Walmart or some company, because just take the extreme example of a company that had 90% of its stock owned by one individual and 12% of the money in the market were indexed, uh, and the 90% wouldn't sell it, would bring back the Northern Pacific corner or something of the sort.

不管怎么说,我觉得那不会成为问题,而且,而且我也不觉得我们最后会进入这两个指数里的任何一个。

In any event, I don't think that's going to be a problem, and, and I don't think we are going to end up being in either index.

对,一个都不会。

Yeah, no one.