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2016年股东大会 · 不要对美国的高等教育期望过高

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M1
M10:00

你好,Warren。

Hi, Warren.

你好,Charlie。

Hi, Charlie.
M2
M20:01

你好。

Hi.
M1
M10:02

我是 Ken Martin。

I'm Ken Martin.

我是 Dartmouth 的 Tuck School 的 MBA 学生。

I'm an MBA student from the Tuck School at Dartmouth.

我的问题是关于大学学费,以及学生债务余额不断上升这个问题。

My question is about college tuition and the problem of rising student debt balances.

过去,一些著名的慈善家创办了机构,这些机构现在已经成了我们国家很有名的研究型大学。

In the past, prominent philanthropists have founded institutions that are now prominent research universities in our country.

为什么在今天关于慈善的讨论里,创办新大学这件事没有占更大的比重呢?

Why is this not a bigger part of today's philanthropic debate, the founding of new colleges?

高等教育增加新的供给,难道不至少是解决这个问题的一部分吗?

Would not new supply in higher education be at least part of the solution to this problem?
M2
M20:32

Charlie,这个你想来回答吗?

Charlie, you want to tackle that one?

这方面你比我更算专家。

You're more of an expert than I am.
M3
M30:34

对,我觉得,如果你指望美国高等教育在效率上,尤其是财务效率上,有多高的表现,那你基本上是在白费力气。

Yeah, I think that if you expect a lot of efficiency, financial efficiency, in American higher education, you're howling at the wind.
M2
M20:49

嗯,我觉得他讲的也不只是这个,他说的也是要有更多慈善投入。

Well, I think he's also talking about just more philanthropy.

我说得对吧?

Am I right?

嗯,我想把灯再打回给他,让他说清楚。

Um, I want to give him the light back on there.
M1
M10:59

对,是这样。

Yeah, that's right.
M3
M31:02

问题再说一遍是什么?

What's the question again?
M2
M21:02

问题大概是,考虑到成本,也许是不是应该相对地把更多慈善资源投到这件事上。

The question about is maybe whether more philanthropy ought to be devoted to that relatively because of the cost.
M3
M31:08

不过呢,我在这个领域做的事情比 Warren 多得多,我也经常感到失望。但是垄断和官僚体系在任何地方都会带来某种有害影响,大学也不例外。

But, well, I do a lot more than Warren does in this field, and I'm frequently disappointed, but monopoly and bureaucracy have kind of pernicious effects everywhere, and the universities aren't exempted from it.

当然了,大学也是文明的光辉所在;如果人们想在这方面多捐一些,那我当然完全支持。

But of course, they are the glory of civilization, and if people want to give more to it, well, I'm all for it.

对,这——

Yeah, it—
M2
M21:44

你知道,其实你是可以选择很不错的州立大学的。

You know, that you've got the option of very good state schools.

还有,呃,你知道,我们国家在教育上花了很多很多钱。

And, uh, uh, you know, we, we spend a lot of money on education in this country.

你看,如果只看——如果只看从 kindergarten 到十二年级,其实很有意思。

You know, if you just take— if you take kindergarten through 12, it's interesting.

人们老是在这个国家谈所谓的 entitlements。

People talk about entitlements in this country.

他们会说,我们有这么多给 Social Security 之类项目的 entitlements,太糟糕了。

They say it's terrible we have all these entitlements for Social Security and everything.

但我们对年轻人其实也有 entitlements。

We have entitlements for the young.

我们每年花六千亿美元,在公立学校里给五千万个从 kindergarten 到十二年级的孩子提供教育。

We spend $600 billion a year educating 50 million kids in the public schools between kindergarten and 12th grade.

你想想看,这本身就是一种 entitlement。

And just think of what that is as an entitlement.

好像从来没人提这个,但它的规模非常大。

Nobody ever seems to bring that up, but it's huge.

而且很显然,我是相信这一点的。

And I believe in it, obviously.

但是你知道,一般来说,我觉得一个富裕社会里处在工作年龄的人,对年轻人和老年人都负有责任。

But, you know, the people in their working ages, generally speaking, I think, in a rich society, have an obligation to both the young and the old.

按照我们花出去的这些钱来看,如果我们的学校体系还有问题,那不是因为我们舍不得花钱。

And based on the amount we spend, if we have problems with our school system, it's not because we're cheap.

你知道,造成这个情况的还有别的问题。

You know, there are other problems that contribute to it.

就我们投进去的钱来说,我们绝对算是排在最前面的。

In terms of the money we put out, we're right up there.

不过我曾经当过一所大学的校董,眼看着它的捐赠基金从八百万美元涨到超过十亿美元,可我没看到学费降下来,也没看到学生人数增加。

But I was the trustee of a college that saw the endowment go from $8 million to over a billion, and I didn't see the tuition come down, and I didn't see the number of students go up.
M3
M33:21

除了教授的工资,别的什么都没涨。

Nothing went up except the professor salaries.
M2
M23:27

对啊,从八百万美元到十亿美元。

Yeah, from $8 million to a billion.

我的意思是,那地方的管理者都是很正派、很体面的人,但当你去看那些大学校的捐赠基金数字时,你就会发现,其中有些真的已经大到惊人了,而管理这些捐赠基金的人,最主要的目标就是让捐赠基金变得更大。

I mean, and very, very decent people running the place, but when you read the figures on endowment of the big schools, you know, and some of them have really gotten up into big numbers, the main objective of the people running the endowment is to have the endowment grow larger.

而且这种情况一直都会是这样。

And that will be ever thus.

人就是这么运作的。

That is the way humans operate.

Charlie,你对此还有什么要补充的吗?

You have any more comments on that, Charlie?

你见过的可不少。

You've seen a lot.
M3
M33:56

我现在已经树了我承受得起的所有敌人了。

I've made all the enemies I can afford at the moment.
M2
M23:58

好吧。

Okay.

这在过去可从来没让他们停下来过。

That's never slowed them down in the past.

Andrew。

Andrew.